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I Hate Elephants

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by bigwinw, Nov 5, 2010.

  1. bigwinw

    bigwinw Warlord

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    So I am playing my first time with Greece. Have 5 Companion Cavalry and all is going well. Taking down Arabia, Songhai, Germany and Siam (in that order). Well the order of this was my biggest mistake. Not realizing the UA, UU and UB of each civ you are fighting can have devastating consequences.

    In hind sight I should have taken out Siam first or maybe even second. But certainly before he got elephants. His elephants came in and destroyed all my cavalry quickly, leaving my cities defenseless. He has taken one city and is on the move to the next.

    The lesson of the story is twofold.

    Know what your Enemies uniqueness's are and more importantly WHEN they get them.

    Elephants can stomp your horse rush quickly.
     
  2. qyll

    qyll Prince

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    hooooobaby. Siamese elephants are brutal because they get +50% vs mounted and mounted get -50% vs them. I had about 10 knights whittled down to 5 (all of them had many promotions) during my war against them. It's possible to kill them with knights + superior tactics, but it's just a lot easier if you bring some longswordsmen + cannons along.
     
  3. Danceofmasks

    Danceofmasks Warlord

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    Best thread title ever.
     
  4. bigwinw

    bigwinw Warlord

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    Ya. I need other non-mounted units. My economy is trashed right now so I have no money. But my Science is good. I have the ability to build fighters at this point (the war has been very long). Working on that and these elephants will be no more. Some better planning and this continent would have been mine 100 turns ago.
     
  5. sukritact

    sukritact Artist and Modder

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    Lol, every time I play as Siam (Almost all the time) I always lag behind in terms of my military until I get Naresuan's Elephants. All I have to do is make three of them and everyone on the map fears me.
     
  6. wurstburst

    wurstburst Prince

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    Siam is a powerhouse when played by the AI. They get huge fast and tech to those dang elephants in a snap. Whenever Siam is near me I go for them first. Before ANY other civ. Don't let the Siam juggernaut get a rolling. I find that they become the runaway civ more than any other civ if unchecked.

    Especially if you are horse dependent for your military! :sad:
     
  7. KingMackem

    KingMackem Chieftain

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    Aye, I've been on the receiving end of a Siamese elephant spanking as well. It was my second game on Civ 5. Thought I was doing alright until a horde of Oliphantes appeared on my border... oy.
     
  8. sarah_aus

    sarah_aus Chieftain

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    I have found the best way to deal with them is let ur town hit them first, then an archer or a crossbow, then attack them with mounted units. It's the only way I've been able to
    Kill them in the past.
     
  9. Azedenkae

    Azedenkae Chieftain

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    Elephants should require a source of Ivory nearby. XD
     
  10. alpaca

    alpaca King of Ungulates

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    In my opinion it's good they removed this requirement. It's quite annoying if you can't use your unique unit due to resource constraints and getting ivory is just a crapshot while you can usually manage to pick up some source for the normal strategic resources.

    As for the psycophants: I think they are one of the best unique units in the game, maybe a bit behind the CC because they only have 2 moves, but they just dominate anything up to rifles except for the French Musketeers.
     
  11. sukritact

    sukritact Artist and Modder

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    So the other unique units that replace horsemen or knights don't require horses?

    Back on topic: I've only got one thing to say about Siamese elephants: I LOVE 'EM! Unless I'm the one being attacked by them.
     
  12. boehj

    boehj runnin' tings

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    I love the Siamese civ. I played them a lot when I first got the game, and I'm surprised that the Steam Achievements seem to indicate that few people use this civ. They are very strong.

    However, I never built their UU for some reason. I just wrote it off as a gimmick and never experimented with it... And then I finally came up against Ramkhamhaeng and his elephants in a war. My god! Those things are almost impossible to kill!

    Needless to say, in my next Siamese game I'll be building some.
     
  13. gaiko

    gaiko Warlord

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    :lol::lol:So it ain't so easy after all!
     
  14. Grinnenstadt

    Grinnenstadt Chieftain

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    What about Pikemen? Try using those!:lol:
     
  15. alpaca

    alpaca King of Ungulates

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    You can get horses in 99% of the games quite easily. You can get Ivory in maybe 20%, less if you don't play Pangaea

    Get pwned by the 'phants. An elephant is 22 vs a pike at 20 but if you add bonuses, the elephants are usually a lot stronger. The dangerous thing are pikemen-gone-rifles which keep their +100% against mounted units (which is totally "meh!" I might add)
     
  16. goodolarchie

    goodolarchie Warlord

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    Siam as a neighbor is always my first target, then his twin.
     
  17. Varanid

    Varanid Warlord

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    His elephants are insane. They chewed through pikes for me when I fought them. I wound up luring them to the coast line and bombing them wiht my navy.
     
  18. boehj

    boehj runnin' tings

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    I played this months's Gauntlet game as Siam. Oh yes indeed they are good. The elephants are the badness.
     
  19. Nefelia

    Nefelia Prince

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    Fortified pikemen on a hill/forest: 27.5. Or pikemen with flanking bonuses: 21.5-23. Not enough to easily dominate, but pikemen are easier to build/buy.
     
  20. UknowsI

    UknowsI Nybygger

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    What about using more than one unit type? I have never had problems with elephants using combined arms. Elephants are quite strong for their age, but both longswordmen/catapults/crossbowmen and riflemen stand up to them pretty nicely.
     

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