I think I am done with Civ 5. I've gotten every victory on Immortal, and a few OCC's as well on Immortal. But most of the time, when I start an Immortal game, I look at the starting location and go, what? Tundra? Nothing of any significance? Immortal is tough as crap, its like 4x as hard as Emperor. Anytime I get a good start I get three civs DoW on me. I can fight off two but its always that 3rd that does me in. I paid for this game, and I have a full time job. I don't have all day to get a decent start. Emperor is a joke. Immortal can be so tough that you might as well have the computer quit it for me. They need to add some more options, like Immortal difficulty but a decent location guaranteed. Or maybe Emperor that gets more bonuses with time. So yeah, I'm tired of starting Immortal games that end up with me being at war with everyone. I am tired of Emperor games that put me to sleep. I can only play about one full game a week. Its not fun if it usually ends up being either boring or nearly impossible. To quote a famous philosopher, "Ain't nobody got time for that!"