I Was Just Playing Alpha Centauri...

[Cuivienen]

And one of the wonderful quotes in that game made me wonder what your everyday Christian would think on the subject. (Being Atheist myself, I have no idea.)

In any case, the quote (copyright Firaxis Games, yada yada):

"Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a Universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a Universe at all?"

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Originally posted by Cuivienen
And one of the wonderful quotes in that game made me wonder what your everyday Christian would think on the subject. (Being Atheist myself, I have no idea.)

In any case, the quote (copyright Firaxis Games, yada yada):

"Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a Universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a Universe at all?"

A superb quote that fits into the theme of the week which is threads about religion and also reminds the World at the excellent background material that made Alpha Centauri such an atmospheric game.

 

[Perfection]

Just for the hell of it, of course!

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Originally posted by Cuivienen
"Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a Universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a Universe at all?"

From what I know, so all the little people in the world would wonder at the perfect God who made them, under their own free will.

And of course, by giving humans free will over what they do, they will naturally destroy an originally perfect world, as humans are generally driven by selfish motives. So why didn't God make unselfish humans, who lived to worship others? Well, that would negate the point of giving them free will.

If Mohammed had lived today, he wouldn't have been especially flattered if a billion purpose robots worshipped his god. It would be much more flattering if a billion living people who ate, drank, slept, and struggled with their religion still worshipped their God.

In short, creating a perfect world would be doing us a favour, but he wants us to do him a favour.

 

[Goober]

Alpha Centauri, I should get that game sometime, that wasn't a bad game . . . C3C is obviouslly far better, but for the sake of nostalgia . . .

 

[Capulet]

Simple, we were made to praise God of his perfection

 

[Margim]

Originally posted by Cuivienen
And one of the wonderful quotes in that game made me wonder what your everyday Christian would think on the subject. (Being Atheist myself, I have no idea.)

In any case, the quote (copyright Firaxis Games, yada yada):

"Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a Universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a Universe at all?"

I don't know if I'm an everyday Christian.

But my answer anyway... God is creative, and so he creates. There needs be little more purpose behind it than that.

As for the first part of the quote - why evil?

my question in response would be;

How would we have a concept of good without evil? Isn't the ultimate 'ungood' necessary for an ultimate 'good'?

 

[Capulet]

Evil is here to test us, to see how strong our faith is. Without evil, there is no good. With good, there is no evil. YIN-YANG FOR LIFE BABY.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Originally posted by RealGoober
Alpha Centauri, I should get that game sometime, that wasn't a bad game . . . C3C is obviouslly far better, but for the sake of nostalgia . . .

Wrong. Alpha Centauri is a far more enjoyable game, with a far more engrossing storyline, and far more believable gameplay, that is backed up with scientific fact, or at least that which looks like scientific fact. It's also a hell of a lot more fast paced and the diplomacy is light years ahead of any other strategy and war game ever produced. They should make AC2, it's one of the all time best games.

 

[Goober]

Originally posted by LesCanadiens
Wrong. Alpha Centauri is a far more enjoyable game, with a far more engrossing storyline, and far more believable gameplay, that is backed up with scientific fact, or at least that which looks like scientific fact. It's also a hell of a lot more fast paced and the diplomacy is light years ahead of any other strategy and war game ever produced. They should make AC2, it's one of the all time best games.

Oh, SMAC is good, yes, but frankly it is unelievable, and it is Civ3 that is believable, just to contradict everything that you said . . .

I agree SMAC2 would be good, but nothing can beat Civ 3, nothing . . .

 

[LesCanadiens]

Originally posted by RealGoober
Oh, SMAC is good, yes, but frankly it is unelievable, and it is Civ3 that is believable, just to contradict everything that you said . . .

I agree SMAC2 would be good, but nothing can beat Civ 3, nothing . . .

Why do you keep being wrong? Did you ever actually read the manual? How about the blurbs that came along with every tech?

Yea, Civ 3 is real believable. Civilizations didn't build a city then another then another then another to expand themselves. Civ 3 is totally unrealistic but SMAC is completly realistic.

 

[Goober]

I read the manuals of each game, thank you very much!!!

SMAC is not realistic at all, what are you talking about? The technology in that has not even been invented yet, and is nowhere near to being invented!!! And that zenofungus, riduculous. I am not saying that Civ3 is the most realistic game, but compared to SMAC it is fairly realistic. At least it follows human history, and incorporates Techs that we have discovered into it . . .

And Civilizations did expand by building cities, what are you talking about? Have YOU read the manuals?

 

[LesCanadiens]

No, that is not how civilizations expanded. President Lincoln didn't decide in the year 4500 BC that he was going to forcefully move 10,000 people to Manhattan.

Obviously you didn't read the manual of SMAC. The technology of course hasn't been invented yet, thank you very much Einstein, but the way in which it is presented and the technologies which occur are very realistic, very logical.

And how can you call Xenofungus ridiculous? Who are you to say what lifeforms on another planet four light years away are like? If/when we encounter extraterrestrial life, it will look NOTHING like anything we have ever seen nor imagined. You are probably one of those people who think that aliens will look like they do on Star Trek, where the only thing differing them from us is a freaking nose ridge or something like that. Incredible.

 

[Akka]

AC was incredibly coherent, consistent, and sensible.
The technology was very well thought-out, the idea of Xenofungus simply brilliant.

Give-me something with the strong points of AC and Civ3, and you'll make me a happy man.

 

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Musa
Simple, we were made to praise God of his perfection

Nah, praise is fine, but I prefer more interesting things, I'm bored, entertain me!

 

[Smidlee]

Originally posted by LesCanadiens
Wrong. Alpha Centauri is a far more enjoyable game, with a far more engrossing storyline, and far more believable gameplay, that is backed up with scientific fact, or at least that which looks like scientific fact. .

Now that a funny quote. A Sci Fi game is now scientific fact, and more believable gameplay? Even most of SMAC quotes are pretty lame including the one here so I don't give much thought about them. in SMAC even the planet talks to you

 

[Akka]

Originally posted by Smidlee
Now that a funny quote. A Sci Fi game is now scientific fact, and more believable gameplay?

Yes.
It's coherent, it's logical, it seems credible.
It's not because it's not real, that it's not realistic.

Even most of SMAC quotes are pretty lame including the one here so I don't give much thought about them.

In fact, the quotes are quite intelligent. You say you didn't gave much thoughts ?
Well, it shows

in SMAC even the planet talks to you

And ?
It's consistent with the settings. What is the problem ?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I tried really hard to get into Alpha Centauri, I wanted to like it. But that sickening, pink colored landscape is nauseating. Its the exact same color as Pepto Bismol

 

[Smidlee]

Originally posted by Akka
Yes.
It's coherent, it's logical, it seems credible.
It's not because it's not real, that it's not realistic.

In fact, the quotes are quite intelligent. You say you didn't gave much thoughts ?
Well, it shows

what? there is a reason why these quotes are in a game and not in RL. Of course they fix into the game itself but I don't hear anyone in RL quoting SMAC often. That question is about as lame as why do people here spend hours designing scenarios and art for CIV 3 players for all of us to enjoy without any profit?

 

[Akka]

Well, a good third of these quotes come straight from philosophical/historical books. I suppose then that they are stupid because they are in a game ?

You know, when I see a question, I don't ask "is this question coming from an Authorized Relevant Source Able to Ask Intelligent Question® ?", I simply read it and see if it's intelligent or not.
Don't see how the fact something comes from a game make it more stupid than if the same thing was coming from elsewhere...