ICNES I: Troubling Future
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Icmancin
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Tech level is the same as today. Slightly more advanced in some aspects (electonic cars become a majority, etc). Israel... stats have to go up... Quetzlcoatl... that'll be fixed.
Icmancin
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History:
When Canada became Socialist, it changed the World. The Commonwealth had to recognize it and then Australasia declared her independence. By this time an Arab state already existed. Canada and Mexico made a secret arrangement to destroy the United States whih was already in a state of decline. They had lost the Iraq war and the new Pakistani Preaident had commnced the invasion of Afghanistan to get rid of the Americans.
Russia was also involved. She was not a particular friend of the States and thus comprimised. Russia occpuied the airbases leased to the Americans in Central Asia. Then, amphibiously invaded Alaska. Mexico was next. She slammed through Texas and New Mexico with ferocity never shown by them before. It wasn't long until Canada herself stepped up to the plate: She attacked Alaska with her new powerful Military and then sacked the Northern States. The UN was powerless to act as Canada and Russia now had permanent seats and vetoed every proposition. NATO was too scared to act and dissolved itself. In a ferocious battle in New York, the UN headquarters was destroyed. And no one tried to rebuilt it.
Thn Mexico set her sights south. The tiny Central American nation fell along with Cuba and her neighbours. Colombia and Venezuela merged to help stm this expansion. In Guyana, the small states formed a centralized Guyanan stat: now the poorest state in the World.
The crack-Incans staged a rebellion and soon much of old Peru was gone. They conquered most of Peru and Ecuador and then attacked Bolivia,Chile and Argentina boasting their 'Master Race'. It seemed like WWIII but the Incans, claimed the Argentines, would be put down.
In the East, China began to subdue her neighbours. North Korea, Mongolia, Thailand, Vietnam and Laos all fell as well as Singapore. The other Asian states quickly merged to create a rival to China that was not Communist. India too was active, taking Nepal, Srik Lanka, Bangladesh and Myanmar.
The Islamic states seized the chance to create the Umma which had been hoped for since the 500s. The Saudi King proposed this idea and soon he controlled Muslims from Africa to Kazakhstan. However, in Africa, they were hindered by the African Union which sought to preserve the African traditions rather than replace them. Australia and New Zealand merged when England fell.
In Europe, the Russians moved swiftly, taking over all the Slavic nations. The Germans quickly established union with the other germans on the continent. The Scandinavians formed a Kingdom but it was weak and soon joined the Germans in confederation. England was full of strife. The Irish backed Scots made rebellion and soon most of Britain was under new Celtic control. England signed peace and soon she too fell into German hands.
The Italic speaking peoples of Western Europe also formed an alliance to rival that of the Germans and Slavs. It is the weakest of the three but is still quite powerful. Greece was left out and now pro-Slavic terrorists rage through the country. Israel stilll held out but that was because of aid from Canada. Her soldiers were being trained by Canada and the Muslims were frightened of how much guerrilla warfare would erupt when Israel fell. Finland was forced into being a Slavic puppet, but she has resentment towards Slavia.
When Canada became Socialist, it changed the World. The Commonwealth had to recognize it and then Australasia declared her independence. By this time an Arab state already existed. Canada and Mexico made a secret arrangement to destroy the United States whih was already in a state of decline. They had lost the Iraq war and the new Pakistani Preaident had commnced the invasion of Afghanistan to get rid of the Americans.
Russia was also involved. She was not a particular friend of the States and thus comprimised. Russia occpuied the airbases leased to the Americans in Central Asia. Then, amphibiously invaded Alaska. Mexico was next. She slammed through Texas and New Mexico with ferocity never shown by them before. It wasn't long until Canada herself stepped up to the plate: She attacked Alaska with her new powerful Military and then sacked the Northern States. The UN was powerless to act as Canada and Russia now had permanent seats and vetoed every proposition. NATO was too scared to act and dissolved itself. In a ferocious battle in New York, the UN headquarters was destroyed. And no one tried to rebuilt it.
Thn Mexico set her sights south. The tiny Central American nation fell along with Cuba and her neighbours. Colombia and Venezuela merged to help stm this expansion. In Guyana, the small states formed a centralized Guyanan stat: now the poorest state in the World.
The crack-Incans staged a rebellion and soon much of old Peru was gone. They conquered most of Peru and Ecuador and then attacked Bolivia,Chile and Argentina boasting their 'Master Race'. It seemed like WWIII but the Incans, claimed the Argentines, would be put down.
In the East, China began to subdue her neighbours. North Korea, Mongolia, Thailand, Vietnam and Laos all fell as well as Singapore. The other Asian states quickly merged to create a rival to China that was not Communist. India too was active, taking Nepal, Srik Lanka, Bangladesh and Myanmar.
The Islamic states seized the chance to create the Umma which had been hoped for since the 500s. The Saudi King proposed this idea and soon he controlled Muslims from Africa to Kazakhstan. However, in Africa, they were hindered by the African Union which sought to preserve the African traditions rather than replace them. Australia and New Zealand merged when England fell.
In Europe, the Russians moved swiftly, taking over all the Slavic nations. The Germans quickly established union with the other germans on the continent. The Scandinavians formed a Kingdom but it was weak and soon joined the Germans in confederation. England was full of strife. The Irish backed Scots made rebellion and soon most of Britain was under new Celtic control. England signed peace and soon she too fell into German hands.
The Italic speaking peoples of Western Europe also formed an alliance to rival that of the Germans and Slavs. It is the weakest of the three but is still quite powerful. Greece was left out and now pro-Slavic terrorists rage through the country. Israel stilll held out but that was because of aid from Canada. Her soldiers were being trained by Canada and the Muslims were frightened of how much guerrilla warfare would erupt when Israel fell. Finland was forced into being a Slavic puppet, but she has resentment towards Slavia.
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Icmancin said:
Some of these things are a bit odd, like how small nations are somehow holding territories with hostile populations many times greater than their own in the modern age (I.e. the Scots and the Irish banding together and capturing the north of England for example? el oh el). Plus I'd see the Canadians conquering America as something equilivalent to the Mongols conquering China - sure its possible, but the resultant state would effectively be American due to the more than 2/3rds of the country being american, unless some rather harsh measures were inforced...
Also a second small suggestion is that the NES2 system doesn't adequately represent the importance of modern age industry. An idea I've been kicking around for a very simple "industry stat" is
Industry: X
Where X is a number represnting the maximum number of points a nation can spend on 'industrial' military products like tanks, planes, battleships etc in a turn.
So for example with rich, non industrial nation
Economy (+5)
Industry (1)
Has 5 points to spend but can only produce 1 EPs worth of Tanks/planes/etc
Poorer but heavily military productionised
Economy (+3)
Industry (3)
Has only 3 points to spend but can put all 3 of them to industrial stuff if they want.
Increases in industry can be bought for a set amount of EPs (I would suggest 10) and this avoids the problems and confusion of having two streams of points to keep track off
Icmancin
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Thanks for the input. Yeah, I know that the history is iffy but it is an Alt-Hist... of sorts. Mexico got the South because of the amount of Spaniards in the South States and the USA was becoming very unpopular due to international failures.
Kentharu
Zebra Commander
what is the situation with the african union?
Symphony D.
Deity
lurker's comment: Iffy... is an understatement. Best of luck though.
das
Regeneration In Process
lurker's comment: Agree with the above. Especially the part about a social-democratic Slavia, consisting of countries traditionally almost anything (from conservative to communist) but social-democratic.
das
Regeneration In Process
Two more things:
1) An Incan revival, though not with the religious bits, is much more likely to start in Bolivia... because it already started there, sort of.
2) Apparently, Israel was NOT taken yet. Good, because...
Nation Name: Jewish Republic of Israel
Capital: Jerusalem
Ruler: ha-nasi Aleksandr Levitsky/das
Government: Theocratic (Jewish) Presidential Republic
Centralization: Tigh Federation
Army (Training): 15 Divisions (Professional), 5 Tank Division (Professional) 15 Irregulars
Navy (Training): 5 Squadrons (Good)
Air Force (Training): 15 Squadrons (Very Good)
Income: Not bad (+1)
Income Banked:
Industry: 1
Size (points required): Small (1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Competent
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Living Standards: Normal
Culture: Uberpatriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: Israel managed to survive against the Umma: mainly with Canadian help. Canada provided training for the Israelis which have the secon best (in training) Military in the world. Although it is small they have unbreakable confidence in their leader and country and already have irregulars ready to fight should the Umma try anything. But, they promise, more irregulars are still to come.
1) An Incan revival, though not with the religious bits, is much more likely to start in Bolivia... because it already started there, sort of.
2) Apparently, Israel was NOT taken yet. Good, because...
Nation Name: Jewish Republic of Israel
Capital: Jerusalem
Ruler: ha-nasi Aleksandr Levitsky/das
Government: Theocratic (Jewish) Presidential Republic
Centralization: Tigh Federation
Army (Training): 15 Divisions (Professional), 5 Tank Division (Professional) 15 Irregulars
Navy (Training): 5 Squadrons (Good)
Air Force (Training): 15 Squadrons (Very Good)
Income: Not bad (+1)
Income Banked:
Industry: 1
Size (points required): Small (1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Competent
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Living Standards: Normal
Culture: Uberpatriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: Israel managed to survive against the Umma: mainly with Canadian help. Canada provided training for the Israelis which have the secon best (in training) Military in the world. Although it is small they have unbreakable confidence in their leader and country and already have irregulars ready to fight should the Umma try anything. But, they promise, more irregulars are still to come.
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Odd...
Hi das!
Canadians and Americans are quite similar, America was declining, a rising culture invaded and assimilated it.
Look at the Mexican immigration! They're probably the majority in the south, even before the invasion.
Hi das!
Symphony D.
Deity
lurker's comment:
American Population, 2006: 298,540,066
Nevermind that American culture is, historically, the king of assimilating other cultures. In fact, if anything, it's infected Canada. American culture is really too infectious to just be "assimilated" on its home turf. Especially when the invader is so similar, and outnumbered by almost 10:1.
I would also note that the idea of the Mexican and Canadian militaries beating the United States, even with Russian help - while the US military is elsewhere - is laughible. I mean, really. The Mexican Air Force. The Canadian Navy. I'm sorry, they're just funny. Which is part of the reason, among numerous others, I find this history implausible in the extreme.
Canadian Population, 2006: 32,422,919Lord_Iggy said:
American Population, 2006: 298,540,066
Nevermind that American culture is, historically, the king of assimilating other cultures. In fact, if anything, it's infected Canada. American culture is really too infectious to just be "assimilated" on its home turf. Especially when the invader is so similar, and outnumbered by almost 10:1.
I would also note that the idea of the Mexican and Canadian militaries beating the United States, even with Russian help - while the US military is elsewhere - is laughible. I mean, really. The Mexican Air Force. The Canadian Navy. I'm sorry, they're just funny. Which is part of the reason, among numerous others, I find this history implausible in the extreme.
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lurker's comment:
Assimilation of Americans to Canadian is unlikly due to the a) population disparity and b) The literatacy and educated nature of the conquered populence would keep culture intact, they might not rebel but they would still think of themselves as 'American/particular subset of America'
Mexicans immigrate to the US for purely economic reasons - if the US goes down the plug hole and Mexico sorts itself out the flow will most likely stop or reverse
So...there has been no oil crisis, and why is technology the same?* Does the internet (and the various posible succesor structures) still exist or has it been partitioned?
*I would have bet we'd have at least one singularity event by the 2060's
after all
Edit: Beat'd by Symphony
Repeating statistics (this time with the UK)
England: 50.1 Million
Scotland: 5.06 Million
Ireland: 5.8 Million
Wales: 2.9 Million
(and thats assuming 'Celtia' had total support of its populence for its expansionist plans)
Lord_Iggy said:
Assimilation of Americans to Canadian is unlikly due to the a) population disparity and b) The literatacy and educated nature of the conquered populence would keep culture intact, they might not rebel but they would still think of themselves as 'American/particular subset of America'
Mexicans immigrate to the US for purely economic reasons - if the US goes down the plug hole and Mexico sorts itself out the flow will most likely stop or reverse
So...there has been no oil crisis, and why is technology the same?* Does the internet (and the various posible succesor structures) still exist or has it been partitioned?
*I would have bet we'd have at least one singularity event by the 2060's
after allEdit: Beat'd by Symphony
Repeating statistics (this time with the UK)
England: 50.1 Million
Scotland: 5.06 Million
Ireland: 5.8 Million
Wales: 2.9 Million
(and thats assuming 'Celtia' had total support of its populence for its expansionist plans)
I meant that Canadian culture and American culture would assimilate into each other. It's plausible, and we don't know everything about the US's decline.
Besides, with climate change, Canada would have an American climate, and be much more highly populated.
Besides, with climate change, Canada would have an American climate, and be much more highly populated.
Symphony D.
Deity
lurker's comment: I'd also like to note that if it was going down, for sure, the US would bring its nuclear arsenal to bear on its attackers. If you're gonna go down, you may as well take everybody else with you. Also, Canada is a part of NATO, which it then helps the Russians to beat? WTH?
Basically this NES is possible if nationalism, reason, nukes, and the American military didn't exist. As it is though, I'm saying nothing positive, so I may as well say nothing at all. Again, good luck.
Basically this NES is possible if nationalism, reason, nukes, and the American military didn't exist. As it is though, I'm saying nothing positive, so I may as well say nothing at all. Again, good luck.
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Lord_Iggy said:
Of course, with climate change (which hasn't been mentioned here), the Canadian population would grow (and where do you think most of these new people would be coming from
) and united culture might develop. WHat we are saying is unlikly is the sceanario postulated here in which canada conquers the south and enforces its culture, not the growing together (if anything the shift north would just lead to the Americans dominating Canada 
).That said, good luck to however it turns out!
das
Regeneration In Process
Actually, while unlikely, this scenario can be realistically explained by intervention of superior beings with mind control devices. Russia has its patron polar bears, Canada - penguins. An unholy alliance signed between the local factions could quite easily beat the world into a much less unlikely position - the only thing preventing an utter Canado-Slavic world domination being an intervention by mainstream polar bear forces and the assorted pandas.
Hope that settles it, and now, on with the NES.
Hope that settles it, and now, on with the NES.
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