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Idea for Religion: Holy City States

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by craig123, Aug 13, 2010.

  1. Mannu

    Mannu Warlord

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    Agree. Overall the OP has a brilliant idea (and simple) and it fits in great with the existing city-state model. Just add a new type: Religious and add the quests for it.
     
  2. craig123

    craig123 Prince

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    Lets start a campaign ...
     
  3. Mercade

    Mercade the Counsellor

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    Point I suppose is selecting the most appropriate city for a religion, even if they don't have a "pope" in it to rule that particular religion. Some suggestions:

    Buddhism - Lumbini, Nepal (Buddha's birthplace) or Bodhgaya, India (place of enlightenment)
    Christianity - Vatican City
    Hinduism - Varanasi, India
    Islam - Mecca, Saudi Arabia
    Judaism - Jerusalem, Israel
    Mormons - Salt Lake City, USA
    Shinto - Ise, Japan
    Sikhism - Amritsar, India
     
  4. D712

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    We shall. I believe this might actually work.
     
  5. Darth Caesar

    Darth Caesar Might be a Wizard

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    This is one of the few ideas recomened by the fan community that I think is an absolutly great idea!!! I'm all for this!!!
     
  6. wapamingo

    wapamingo Prince

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    agreed.
     
  7. wapamingo

    wapamingo Prince

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    It does not necessarily have to be tied to any specific city state as in any one given game you'd want all of the religions to be present and if you play with less than 28 city states that is not guaranteed.

    IMHO, probably better just to randomly give city stated a "wonder" that they can build and become holy city.

    I suppose there is no reason why not that "wonder" could not generate cash for that city state for each city that has their religious building(s). And they can use this cash to "reward" civs for "crusading" in their cause...
     
  8. Mercade

    Mercade the Counsellor

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    That's a design consideration. The point by Lissenber was that he couldn't think of holy cities other than the vatican, so I provided him with some other examples / suggestions.

    I agree that using a civ4 type random designation for a holy city could also work. Then I think you'll be stuck with just the same neutral nondescript benefit from a religion as there was in civ4.
     
  9. craig123

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    You'll have a hard time proving that, sir! ;) :scan:
    Holy City States™. Copyright © and Registered Trademark ® of craig123. All rights reserved.
     
  10. theis81

    theis81 Warlord

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    You could perhaps just make every cultural city state able to found religions and become a holy city. Founding the religion could be linked to tech development like in civIV.
     
  11. cicero spqr

    cicero spqr Chieftain

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    I love this idea. Perhaps it could be integrated with another idea about religions; schisms. maybe it could be a new action for great prophets. If you had that state religion and a great prophet was born you could use it to found a schismed religion. but you would lose favor with that city state and be open for a crusade against the heretics.
     
  12. D712

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    I dont know about that...City States should (IMO) have the religion either already with them from the start of the game, or could (in an "city state only" tech tree) research to get one. But I think the reason that Holy City States is such a good idea is because that way the real civs wont have to spend time researching different techs for different religious things. And I can imagine, say, Brussels being a holy city and telling its follower to not adopt the scientific policy (I forgot the name) or they will either be excommunicated and suffer unhappiness from its people (ALOT of unhappiness) or have a crusade launched against it.
     
  13. dimon

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    I think this is a fantastic idea! :)

    And just to chip in an extra argument, it would actually improve a lot on the model in Civ4 - for example, it is not only Spiritual civs that stand a chance to grab Hinduism and Buddhism. Maybe I'm too much of a "roleplayer," but it has always irked me a bit to see Isabella found Buddhism :rolleyes:

    I also like the idea that religion spreads with trade routes. Missionaries are fun and all, but in practice I think religion tends to diffuse through more... viral means (no offense :) )

    Cheers
    Jan
     
  14. seasnake

    seasnake Conquistador

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    Posted this same idea in the suggestions forum a while ago, still like it. I was talking about the first expansion, Art of Diplomacy, and wrote about this under religion:
     
  15. D712

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    I like most of that stuff, but I dont think that Civs should be able to found religions. And the different religions should be assigned to the actual holy lands in the real world.
     
  16. seasnake

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    It'd require some serious gameplay testing, but I think founding a religion should be possible if it can be implemented without making it a "religion race." They were hugely powerful in Civ IV with the shrine and would need to be nerfed. But other than a nerfing, they should be okay.
     
  17. ShaqFu

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    It's certainly a neat idea, and something that would make for a fantastic mod, and something that should absolutely be made. :goodjob:

    Not to be a downer, but it'll never make it into the game, or any expansions. Sid's (and Firaxis') design philosophy has always been to let the player be the one doing Cool Things, not AI civs or non-competing entities like city-states. Something like founding/running a religion falls into that category, so it's very unlikely that you'll see city-state-controlled religions in any official games.

    Still, it's a neat idea!
     
  18. craig123

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    I don't see how it would detract from the player's fun. Especially if the religions are founded at the very start of the game - the player wouldn't 'miss out' on anything. There could always be the option of taking over the city - which would be very hard if it had lots of followers.
     
  19. wapamingo

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    agreed. this way there is no rush to religion or rush for flavor religion; you get what you're surrounded with and work from there.
     
  20. eduhum

    eduhum Aahh the gold old days...

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    You can do (C) as © with Alt+c, as well with ®, with r and ™ with h.
    Also, I like your idea.
    Plus this city-states would call for crusades to the nearby civs or city-states.
     

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