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Idea for Religion: Holy City States

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by craig123, Aug 13, 2010.

  1. craig123

    craig123 Prince

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    Well I'm really pleased to see so many people using it :D
    Now we just need to get 2K Greg onboard :think:
     
  2. D712

    D712 Queen

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    How do we do that? I dont want to stalk him or anything...:mischief:
     
  3. GigaNerd

    GigaNerd His Nerdiness

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    Well, guess I joined the sig' boat! :lol:

    I've updated my list of religions & holy cities. Check it out below!

    Christianity - Bethlehem
    Catholocism - Vatican City
    Protestantism - Wittenburg
    Orthodox - Constantinople
    Mormonism - Salt Lake City
    Islam - Mecca(?)
    Sunni Islam - Mecca(?)
    Shia Islam - Najaf
    Judaism - Jerusalem
    Scientology - Clearwater
    Pastafarianism - Corvallis(?), Topeka(?)
    SubGenius - Dallas

    And yes, I strongly believe that the last 3 on the list should be included! :smoke:
     
  4. stealth_nsk

    stealth_nsk Deity

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    You could have holy state states for "basic" religions and each civ could adopt its own sect, if you need that level of realism :)
     
  5. generalwar

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    I think that 12 holy city-states is too much. I think that max number of holy city-states (on standard map) should be 4 holy and 12 other kind of city-states.
     
  6. Caeserportugal

    Caeserportugal Prince

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    Bethlehem?:) Is that the hebrew name for Jerusalem? if thats the case than Bethlehem should be excenged with Jerusalem.

    Also to be different Sunni Islam could be Medina
     
  7. Matjillam

    Matjillam Warlord

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    Cool! And the cities we would have are... Jerusalem. And.... Jerusalem? Hmmmm, Mecca? Nope, allready taken. Did I say Jerusalem?
     
  8. Lyoncet

    Lyoncet Emperor

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    Yeah, probably want to make The Vatican Christianity's just so they don't all get clustered together in the same super-religion-city. Also seems a bit over-the-top to include a bunch of branches of the same religion (would we really need Catholicism and Protestantism and Orthodoxy et al?); don't see any reason to depart from the broader Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Hinduism/Buddhism etc. model.
     
  9. ilikepies

    ilikepies Warlord

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    This would probably never happen in the actual game, but it would make an excellent mod or scenario.
     
  10. Lyoncet

    Lyoncet Emperor

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    While I'm very sparing with this sort of comment, I'd say that given the attention the devs pay to the really good suggestions and mod ideas, it's likely that we may see some sort of implementation of this idea down the line in an expansion. It just so brilliantly solves pretty much all the problems of the old religion system while keeping it exciting and adding a lot of depth to the gameplay. And it's also sort of realistic, which is always a plus!
     
  11. craig123

    craig123 Prince

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    I hope you're right :D
     
  12. Caeserportugal

    Caeserportugal Prince

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    Yes for exemple the UP's I think were based on Rhye's mod.
     
  13. Darth Caesar

    Darth Caesar Might be a Wizard

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    :agree:
    And CaesarPortugal 340 post in a max of two weeks that might be a record.
     
  14. johny smith

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    Why is the Arab capital Mecca anyway? I thought we are talking about the Caliphate. The Caliphate's capitol was Baghdad for most of the time it was around. Using Mecca is like using Philly for America as a capitol. Certainly Mecca was an Arab city. But any city could be an Arab city. I did not think the Arabs are meant to be represent Saudi Arabia.

    And the Lamaism is not what every Buddhist follows. The Dhali Lama is like a pope for Tibet. He is not the leader of the Buddhist world.
     
  15. WillowBrook

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    Just echoing what other have said - this is a great idea! :goodjob: Make "religious" a fourth type of city state, lots of ways it could be implemented. I love the ideas for different religion/city pairs. Only a few would be in each game, but there could be many possibilities.
     
  16. chaotoroboto

    chaotoroboto Warlord

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    Well, one hardly wishes to legitimize Scientology.

    Also: Discordianism - Mu.
     
  17. Aussie_Lurker

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    Although I'm heavily biased in favor of my own ideas for adding religion to the game (who wouldn't be? ;) ), I think that these ideas are *very* good, & probably the most likely to get accepted as an expansion (though I still hope that my ideas get the nod ;) ). At the very least, I'd love to see someone make this as a mod for Civ5!

    Aussie.
     
  18. johny smith

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    Randomness is better to me because the lists are getting strange imo when trying to add denominations.

    Here is the present top ten denominations inside of religions worldwide.
    Catholic Christianity 1,050,000,000
    Sunni Islam 940,000,000
    Vaishnavites Hinduism 580,000,000
    Orthodox/Eastern Christian Christianity 240,000,000
    Shaivites Hinduism 220,000,000
    Conservative Protestant Christianity 200,000,000
    Mahayana Buddhism 185,000,000
    Liberal Protestant Christianity 150,000,000
    Theravada Buddhism 124,000,000
    Shiite Islam 120,000,000

    Now as for historically important I would have Zoroastrianism for sure. I would also suggest Manichaeism.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

    Judaism. What would there be no denominations? You would need something if adding denominations.

    I could see various historical Christian denominations being important. Too many I think can be named here.

    Islam there are other branches as well. One important one I would say is Kharijite.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches#Kharijite_Islam

    Now what about Hindus? They do not really have the same exact beliefs. They are 4 large branches in it. Vaishnavites follow mainly Vishnu. Shaivites follow mainly Shiva.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_denominations

    Buddhism at least 3 I can think of. Mahayana is in East Asia more often, and Theravada in the Southeast. Vajrayana is the Tibet Buddhist and they number 20,000,000.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schools_of_Buddhism

    For China though I think you have whole different issue when you bring in philosophy. Anyway if someone is interested in reading I think this is relevant.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Schools_of_Thought

    Anyway I think random is better and probably easier to have fewer religions. I really would not trust them to make them if trying to match reality. If they would make real denominations I think it would be like opening up Pandora's box.
     
  19. Caeserportugal

    Caeserportugal Prince

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    346 posts in 5 days! I might beat some records here.:mischief:
     
  20. Grimlin

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    Although I agree with you that Protestantism somewhat started in Wittenberg and therefore could be considered the "holy city", it is about 300km away from Wittenburg :)
     

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