Ideas to Buff JFD's Soviet Union?

[Sovietdoggo]

One thing I've noticed is that when playing through Vox Populi, JFD's Soviet Union mod seems to have some very underwhelming abilities. The main focus, that being the ability to earn influence with intense military strength is much less useful, since diplomats do the same thing far better, and drafting the needed army gives very little influence at a time. The second ability attrition which damages enemies passively in my territory is fine in all honesty, just kinda underwhelming like before. Now most of these abilities are probably useful in the right hands, but compared to the other civs they seem kind of weak.

Obviously the mod is not balanced towards VP, so if anyone has any ideas on ideal changes to make the civ competitively balanced, I'd love to hear it. I'm considering learning some light modding, maybe with raw stats or something.

(Note I'm probably trash at VP)

 

[HungryForFood]

Stalin is one of those civs I've given thought about before, so I can throw some ideas out.

The unit damage in your lands part is quite similar to Shoshone, so I would suggest just switching it out for something else.

IS-2 bonus seems useful, and if it stacks with Blitz makes it amazing. However, it is a late game UU, so probably will not be affecting much. Which is fine, if the other components are strong.

Commissariat seems really meh. Hanse feels superior in every way.

One of my ideas is to change Stalin's theme to be based around internal trade routes. So perhaps he could get a % modifier for them, and other yields such as Culture on top. The Commissariat can then be changed accordingly.

 

[Sovietdoggo]

Stalin is one of those civs I've given thought about before, so I can throw some ideas out.

The unit damage in your lands part is quite similar to Shoshone, so I would suggest just switching it out for something else.

IS-2 bonus seems useful, and if it stacks with Blitz makes it amazing. However, it is a late game UU, so probably will not be affecting much. Which is fine, if the other components are strong.

Commissariat seems really meh. Hanse feels superior in every way.

One of my ideas is to change Stalin's theme to be based around internal trade routes. So perhaps he could get a % modifier for them, and other yields such as Culture on top. The Commissariat can then be changed accordingly.

I agree with you for the most part, especially with the commiserat, but I would think the attrition is especially fitting, since it matches Russia's war history so well.

 

[infidel88]

Killing own people for free units?

 

[Sovietdoggo]

Killing own people for free units?

Interesting concept but a bit out of theme lol

 

[Jarula]

More appropriate is the five year plans or something based upon the massive domestic successes of his regime!!!

 

[Sovietdoggo]

More appropriate is the five year plans or something based upon the massive domestic successes of his regime!!!

That'd certainly be fitting for some decision (E+D) or something.

 

[pineappledan]

Killing own people for less food then?

 

[Sovietdoggo]

Killing own people for less food then?

Lmao

 

[Noob Fanboy]

You know, the principal and more important building in Lenin epoch was the soviets. The councils between workers, military men and farmers.

I think a culture buff to the UA is needed. Maybe giving +1 culture to every building (Stone Works, Windmills, Forges, and Factories) and Well, Watermill. The proletarian revolution was a culture one first, after all.

 

[Sovietdoggo]

You know, the principal and more important building in Lenin epoch was the soviets. The councils between workers, military men and farmers.

I think a culture buff to the UA is needed. Maybe giving +1 culture to every building (Stone Works, Windmills, Forges, and Factories) and Well, Watermill. The proletarian revolution was a culture one first, after all.

Absolutely a culture buff, maybe more integrated with internal trade routes though.

 

[Noob Fanboy]

But we have culture in trade routes in Ottoman and Morocco. I think +1 culture to every production building is more unique (Stone Works, Windmills, Forges, and Factories, Well, Watermill), and it doesn't changes Lenin playstyle.

Killing own people for less food then?

Are you talking about capitalist countries with overproduction of food and a high percentage of hungry people? lol.

 

[pineappledan]

Are you talking about capitalist countries with overproduction of food and a high percentage of hungry people? lol

i was referencing the Holodomor, forced collectivization, and Lysenkoism. Ie. the Soviets’ Low production of food and high percentage of dead people, but sure.

 

[Sovietdoggo]

But we have culture in trade routes in Ottoman and Morocco. I think +1 culture to every production building is more unique (Stone Works, Windmills, Forges, and Factories, Well, Watermill), and it doesn't changes Lenin playstyle.




Are you talking about capitalist countries with overproduction of food and a high percentage of hungry people? lol.

True true, I mean for internal routes. Also this is going to be based off of Stalin's Soviet Union, not Lenins. Both of which are JFD mods

 

[Noob Fanboy]

True true, I mean for internal routes. Also this is going to be based off of Stalin's Soviet Union, not Lenins. Both of which are JFD mods

Lenin needs a buff too. And it's not like a lot of people like Stalin, me included.

i was referencing the Holodomor and Lysenkoism, but sure.

Political models are different from economic models. It's funny how you blame socialism for persecution in socialist countries, but you don't blame capitalism for persecution in capitalist countries. I will remember you something: Hitler was receiving funds from European and North America bankers.

 

[Sovietdoggo]

Lenin needs a buff too. And it's not like a lot of people like Stalin, me included.



Political models are different from economic models. It's funny how you blame socialism for persecution in socialist countries, but you don't blame capitalism for persecution in capitalist countries. I will remember you something: Hitler was receiving funds from European and North America bankers.

He probably does, but personally I prefer the hybrid diplomatic/war playstyle that Stalin has. As a leader, he was in a more interesting time too, in my opinion.

 

[Sovietdoggo]

Honestly the Lenin mod looks fairly simple to modify the way you said, granted I had the xml files.

 

[pineappledan]

K.

You can be pretty sure that if Churchill was the subject of debate, I would make a snide comment about Bengal, but whataboutism is more fun I guess. Churchill didn’t kill even a tenth of the people Stalin did though.

Funny that those socialist policies and socialist economics triggered the two worst famines of the past century, and that socialist states have only existed for a century.

 

[Noob Fanboy]

Africa, Middle East and South America have multiple capitalists countries, and how is capitalism working for them?.

Let me remember you about USA persecution to leftist leaders in South America (Pinochet, Jorge Eliecer Gaitan, ...), the killing of 1 million of Indonesian communists, and the killing done by nazists to communists and jews (nazism very liked by bankers and capitalists from Europe and North America).

And i will remember you that Stalin killed COMMUNIST leaders opposed to him too. (Anarchists and trotsky followers).

So, go to some Israel mod if you want to hide massive killings.

 

[pineappledan]

Calling Indonesia “capitalist purges”, when all the people targeted also just happened to be ethnic Chinese and happened to also be Christians is... lol, well okay then.

Many African nations who aren’t Mali, South Africa or Sudan are doing rather well right now, actually.

Lol, there is literally an Israel mod in my signature