If there will be Holy Roman Empire in Civ7.

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

With new rules. Now Charlemagne joins Civ7 as a leader. and in fact he's founder of medieval 'Holy Roman Empire'.
Logically he can start as Romans leading REAL Roman Empire first. but with this info sofar he will lead Normans instead.

If there's gonna be Holy Roman Empire.
What should be UC
and what should be UU?
What to do with Paladins? and the Teutonic Crusaders? or did Landsknechte a practical choice? (even if this unit shows up late. originally replacing pikemen, and later, musketeers)
and both of which shall be infantry.

 

[notNamed]

Well if you're making a HRE civ, you also need to consider the wagonforts born there and stuff.

The fact it's contained mostly to the exploration age, covers a crapload of states and topics makes it a really unfortunate civ pick overall. Though the breadth is also a plus for a 3 era game, I just find it unlikely they'd cover everything with units/districts and bonuses. Mid Eastern Crusaders, Baltic crusades, Hussites, Reformation, German states, Italian states, French states, Slavic states, Papal state and medieval Rome,...
Most people ask for specific states within HRE instead (Bohemia, Italian Kingdom, Teutonic Order, Dutch,...) which lets you have more fun in some ways but means you either pick only 1 of these and discard eveyrthing else, or screw over the rest of the world as you make 70% of the exploration age about Europe again.

 

[sTAPler27]

I don't know much about the HRE but I'd like to see their inclusion. So many states have a claim to a Roman heritage it would make playthroughs as Rome really interesting given how many succession choices you'd have

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Well if you're making a HRE civ, you also need to consider the wagonforts born there and stuff.

Wagonforts were Hussite Rebellions. HRE at the Early Modern Era suffered most after Protestant Movements won roughtly half of the Empire. particularly those of Germanic parts (Prussia, Bohemia, for example). HRE as Catholic governments NEVER Use ones, instead their Infantry warfare were relied so much upon Landsknecte infantry (pikemen dominant field armies. but also combined arms consists of shock troopers armed with halberds and two handed swords as well, also the first that emploed arquebusiers as permanent elements (some might say Spanish Tercios were actually the first to do that), originally as a response to different problems--Swiss Pikemen who became popular as European No. 1 mercenary of choice of the 14th-15th Centuries.


Wagonforts -- or 'mobile fortress' as Ottomans and Russians called -- were not exclusive to Hussites. In fact, Hussite rebellion was a rather short phenomenon and so did the use of Wagonforts in Central Europe. The Ottomans and the Muscovites were the primary users; because Both Ottoman Janissaries and Russians (Muscovites) firearms doctrines are very different to Western Europeans--the two didn't use pikemen but instead use mobile fortresses). This might be because the two faced a different problems, or different enemies. both of which were horse archers, something not what Pikemen could response effectively. Also BOTH Ottoman Janissaries and Muscovite Streltsy were a class of professional warriors rather than 'drafted and drilled' civilians. these men were good at swing-attack weaponry (axes, maces, and swords were Janissaries favorite sidearms, while Bardiche two-handed axes were Streltsy's counterparts which its primary function is to keep their heavy matchlock muskets steady.)

 

[LastSword]

The only value HRE would add to the game is a practical joke in which playing as Rome blocks out an option to choose HRE.
Charlemagne just like Roman empire in fact has nothing to do with HRE.
HRE name is simply bad, game likes catchy one-liners, not acronyms.
HRE fits neither antiquity nor exploration nor modern theme.
Franks, for example, in general would be much better choice than HRE.
We have Ideas-Suggestions subforum and on-going thread about HRE in first page of general discussions.
With enough threads you can meme HRE or Teutonic Order (ugh...) into existence however there are probably dozens of better choices.
Like exploration Phoenicia.

 

[Siptah]

I‘d love to have a HRE civ eventually. There’s almost a thousand years of highly interesting and diverse history to draw from, with a wealth of possible abilities and uniques. But it should be modeled after the HRE of high medieval or early modern eras imho, and has thus nothing to do with Charlemagne.

For an early medieval representation, I think the Franks (in their broad understanding including Chlodwig’s time) are the best option in Europe. And they‘ve never been in civ before.

If the only issue is naming, and Holy Roman Empire of German Nation is too long, you could choose dynasties. A Staufer civ or a Habsburg civ, depending on which time frame you focus on.

 

[Lord Lakely]

There's room (in terms of uniques, abilities, mechanics) to explore both the French (Frankia) and Germanic (Teutons) side of the HRE with a Civ each, and with both Civs being distinct enough from each other. Though I will suspect that both of them will have to come through mods

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

Since Religion seems to be severely neglected in the base game, I’m really hoping that religious civs such as the Holy Roman Empire, the Papal States, Byzantium, and Outremer are included in the first major expansion, centered on religion. The HRE in the game should focus primarily on its Reformation era, and the gameplay mechanics should be about reforming religion.

 

[Bast]

HRE doesn't feel unique, it was a mix of cultures and the leaders were the same like they were elected. I feel like a civilization should be something more unique representing a people and a culture.

 

[ColtSeavers]

If the only issue is naming, and Holy Roman Empire of German Nation is too long, you could choose dynasties. A Staufer civ or a Habsburg civ, depending on which time frame you focus on.

Just skip the "of German Nation" and you are fine. Holy Roman Empire sounds good to me.

 

[ColtSeavers]

HRE doesn't feel unique, it was a mix of cultures and the leaders were the same like they were elected. I feel like a civilization should be something more unique representing a people and a culture.

That's exactly, what makes it unique!

 

[Geminus Leonem]

Since the Exploration Age seems to have a focus on gunpowder and the Age of Sail, It is more likely that we get different offshoots from the HRE like Bohemia, Austria, the Teutons/Prussians, Holland and Milan/Florence as civs.

 

[untitledjuan]

The only value HRE would add to the game is a practical joke in which playing as Rome blocks out an option to choose HRE.
Charlemagne just like Roman empire in fact has nothing to do with HRE.
HRE name is simply bad, game likes catchy one-liners, not acronyms.
HRE fits neither antiquity nor exploration nor modern theme.
Franks, for example, in general would be much better choice than HRE.
We have Ideas-Suggestions subforum and on-going thread about HRE in first page of general discussions.
With enough threads you can meme HRE or Teutonic Order (ugh...) into existence however there are probably dozens of better choices.
Like exploration Phoenicia.

For Civ7, the Exploration Age cover what has traditionally been known as the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the broader Early Modern Period. That would be an aproximate time from between 500 to 1800. That means that an Exploration Era Phoenicia will never happen and Phoenicia or Carthage will almost undoublty be appearing as an Ancient Era civilization in some DLC in the future.

 

[Krikkit1]

For Civ7, the Exploration Age cover what has traditionally been known as the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the broader Early Modern Period. That would be an aproximate time from between 500 to 1800. That means that an Exploration Era Phoenicia will never happen and Phoenicia or Carthage will almost undoublty be appearing as an Ancient Era civilization in some DLC in the future.

Except an Antiquity Khmer (800-1430) happened

HRE will probably appear (and in exploration) because
1. Religion connection
2. Connections to multiple other civs
3. Covers multiple different groups (so just like “Greece” the Unique Civics and Traditions can each express some different part of that identity)

 

[untitledjuan]

Except an Antiquity Khmer (800-1430) happened

HRE will probably appear (and in exploration) because
1. Religion connection
2. Connections to multiple other civs
3. Covers multiple different groups (so just like “Greece” the Unique Civics and Traditions can each express some different part of that identity)

Yeah, the inclusion of Khmer in the Ancient Era is rather weird, but at least they existed at the start of the Exploration Era. Meanwhile, the Phoenicians had their peak thousands of years before the start of the in-game Exploration Era.

And I also think that the Holy Roman Empire will eventually make an apperance. They can easily transition into Germany, Austria (or Austria-Hungary), Italy, France and maybe even Colombia (or Gran Colombia) due to the Klein-Venedig colony in South America.

 

[Evie]

If there is a Holy Roman Empire, it shouldn't be Charlemagne's. (Yes, I know, Civ IV, but Civ IV had the Native Americans, Civ IV is a farce), and shouldn't lead into France. The united Francia/Frankish/Carolingian empire (pick one of those name) that did include France is only debatably Holy Roman (many historians put the start of the HRE 150 years later), while in historical terms (outside Civ afficionado who grew up with IV), "Holy Roman Empire" evoke the German-Italian empire, snd especially the German one, not the Frankish one.

If you want Charlemagne's empire that can become France, call the civ Carolingian or Frankish or Franks. If you want the HRE, build it around the crusade and Habsburg-eras HRE,

 

[LastSword]

For Civ7, the Exploration Age cover what has traditionally been known as the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the broader Early Modern Period. That would be an aproximate time from between 500 to 1800. That means that an Exploration Era Phoenicia will never happen and Phoenicia or Carthage will almost undoublty be appearing as an Ancient Era civilization in some DLC in the future.

Do not try to bound Firaxis by your artificially created time frames. I don't think they care.
In fact a developer specifically stated that they do not want to be bound by mediterranean calendar. If anything I feel like they are now obligated to put some mediterranean or european civilization out of their comfort time zone. Otherwise it would mean that it was just an empty statement to validate their mish-mashing of cultures outside of Europe as they find it convenient.

And Phoenician sailors are prime candidate for exploration themed age.
Minoans - Phoenicia - Morocco. DLC: mediterranean sailors.
Minoans are obviously a must have for civ7. Morocco is also a great choice for Africa, technically can be replaced by Ottomans.
I hope Firaxis already working on it. @firaxis.

If we can have some fanfic HRE in which Charlemagne or Franks are parts of HRE (sic!) we can have whatever whenever.

I believe that exploration era does not need boring euro medieval civilizations. There is so many interesting choices for europe (Portugal, Netherlands, Hungary) and outside that it would be a waste of resources.

 

[The Fanatical]

The Holy Roman Empire is one of my most anticipated civilizations. I would vote for the Ritterbrüder (Teutonic Knight) as the Unique Military Unit. It hasn't appeared in past titles aside from scenarios, there is already another European civilization (Spain) with a unique pike unit, and a unique knight unit will be compatible with Charlemagne's ability. The Unique Civilian Unit can be the Burgher (unique merchant), the Fürstbishof (unique missionary) or the Komtur (unique commander).

 

[j51]

Boris had the best idea for the HRE. If I remember correctly, it was like have a confederation feature and it works through that.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

The Holy Roman Empire is one of my most anticipated civilizations. I would vote for the Ritterbruder (Teutonic Knight) as the Unique Military Unit. It hasn't appeared in past titles aside from scenarios, there is already another European civilization (Spain) with a unique pike unit, and a unique knight unit will be compatible with Charlemagne's ability.

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