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If You Could Add Any Civ...

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by bioelectricclam, Jul 22, 2006.

  1. nicolji

    nicolji Chieftain

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    the game lacks civs for 3 major areas.

    it needs brazil for south america (inca just dont cut it alone)
    it needs indonesians for the pacific
    and it needs australia for that big chunk of kangaroo infested desert down there.
     
  2. moggydave

    moggydave Warlord

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    I would be all for Israel too, despite my dislike of Israeli military/foreign policy since 1947, but certainly a great impact on history, ancient and modern.

    Remember all the civs are called "The Whatsit Empire", so I guess one has to pick a civ that doesn't seem silly when called this. Also, it has to be a relatively famous civ that people can relate to when reading the back of a game box, for marketing reasons (I'm trying to be as realistic as possible, but anyways, the latter point is less important since with a second expansion pack most people who buy will alrady be diehard players).

    This puts the Israelite case back a bit (I think the ancient name is more appropriate/PC), since Israel has never really had what you would call an "Empire".

    Babylon is a big yes for me. Very influencial and "The Babylonian Empire" sounds perfectly good. I would be 99% certain this will appear since it has appeared in previous Civs. I would say:

    The Babylonian Empire
    Leader: Hammrabi
    Traits: Organised and Philosphical
    UU: Babylonian Archer (Replaces Axeman, +2 first strike chance)
    UB: Babylonian Tax Office (Replaces Bank, 25% Gold, +1 Unhappiness)
    Fave Civic: Bureaucracy

    NB not sure if this would be balanced at all.
    NB2 bonus are in addition to those already offered by what it's replacing

    I wouldn't mind seeing Abbysinia and Polynesia but I have two doubts:

    -Firaxis may not consider them as very well known at all, and they may be controversial with the more mainstream view, so not great to market
    -I'm not familiar with their histories at all, but how would "The Polynesian Empire" sound???
     
  3. ulsterman88

    ulsterman88 4-2 Rangers rule supreme!

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    wouldnt it be sensible if the Babylonian archer replaced the regular archer?
     
  4. nicolji

    nicolji Chieftain

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    just as funny as the 'american empire' or the 'korean empire'
     
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    thanghv Chieftain

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  6. Janos

    Janos Prince

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    Finally someone who thinks similarly to me. I'd love to see Israel in the game... so what if they've never conquered Europe or had a mighty military empire - their empire is one of culture and history, and one which lasts to this day and is unmatched around the globe.

    This would be an excellent civ to add to the game. If they include the Celts, Mongols, Zulu, and Koreans in the game, then Israel deserves to be included too.
     
  7. Cereal Box

    Cereal Box Chieftain

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    When I bought Civ. IV the thing I wanted to see the most was Scandinavians, which I guess they're putting in the Warlords Expansion as the Vikings (which, in common vernacular is a fairly accurate name). A few people in this thread have said that they weren't really important, but I completely disagree. Not only were they very tactically and militarily advanced for their time, but they also colonized Iceland, Greenland and explored the coastal areas of Canada and possibly even New England. They had a huge influence on England once upon a time, and I read on a linguistics page that someone in England around the time of the vikings would be able to speak with a Swede, albeit with some difficulty. They were able to "conquer" many areas, though never really developed into that Roman-style Empire - which I think is perfectly fine. I often play games where I maintain a small empire only declaring war to decimate my oponent and pillage. I think it would be nice if the Berzerkers to be introduced got a bonus when pillaging (+50% gold from pillaging or something). In addition to that, the conversion of of the Scandinavians to Christianity is known to be essentially a political move - interesting insofar as that is how many people play Civilization.

    Babylon certainly seems like it should be in there. Brazil seems like it would be a really cool edition. Polynesia does need to be added, I think. I was reading a while ago about some Polynesian Empire -- I think it was what's present day New Guinea. After all, we have the archepelligo map in the game.
     
  8. moggydave

    moggydave Warlord

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    yeh but i just wanted an attacking archer


    Good point
     
  9. Panda

    Panda Metal head

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    Finland!

    Starting techs: Hunting, Agriculture.

    Leader #1: Urho Kekkonen. Protective, Organized.
    Leader #2: Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim. Protective, Charismatic.

    UU: Hakkapelitta. Replaces Knight. +25% against both melee and gunpowder units, gains additional gold from pillaging improvements.

    OR

    UU: Jääkäri (Jager). Replaces Infantry. Strength 22, starts with Guerilla II promotion.

    UB #1: Sauna. Requires bronze working. +2 health and +2 happy faces.
    UB #2: Distillery. Requires chemistry. +3 happy faces. +1 pollution, -10% tax revenues. Produces the pontikka (moon shine) luxury resource that gives +1 happiness and kills 1 population point in every city the turn you build it. Selling this luxury resource to any other civilization except Russia causes that civ to declare war on you.
     
  10. nicolji

    nicolji Chieftain

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    what about conan obrien as a leader?
     
  11. bioelectricclam

    bioelectricclam Warlord

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  12. FuRRie

    FuRRie King

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    A very good idea too be honest, although i'd suggest a little "improvement".
    Give the Plumed archer an additional strength point to get a more offensive Archer, The Healing While Moving then adds to it's strength, if you wan't to keep it as a Defender you can better give it Medic I.
    As for the Unique building, isn't it kind of pointless? You can allrdy buil Missionaries with a Religion Academy.
    I was thinking along the lines of a special barracks, it gives an additional +2 xp (and maybe allows the production of the "Eagle Warrior", a replacement of the Pikeman, The Eagle Warrior Has only 50% more Strength against Mounted units but also recieves a +25% vs Archery units)

    P.s: Yess i played a lot of age of empires 2 :)
     
  13. ktown

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    1) Israel should be included for its contributions to world history. Having said that, there's no reason for Israel-supporters to bash other civs. There are good and bad reasons to include many of the civs.

    2) I agree that Hitler would be offensive as a leader for this game. BUT isn't it offensive to include Mao and now Stalin when they were each responsible for purging millions of people?!?
     
  14. kristopherb

    kristopherb Protective/Charismatic

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    english empire is scotland and ireland
    british empire is england
     
  15. kristopherb

    kristopherb Protective/Charismatic

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    :rolleyes: england
     
  16. puglover

    puglover Disturber of Worldviews

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    I know it would be bad for sales, but I would like to play as the Hebrews.
     
  17. Columbkille

    Columbkille Chieftain

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    What?

    Doesn't Britain include England, Scotland, and Wales?

    How did you get Ireland mixed up in all of this?
     
  18. savethemooses

    savethemooses Chieftain

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    Somebody has to make that as a mod... Finland with Conan as a leader... amazing.
     
  19. braindrain

    braindrain brainiac

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    In my opinion there are two geographical/historical areas that are grossly unrepresented: native north america and mesopotamia.

    how not even one of these areas are not addressed with warlords shocks me!

    as far as native north america, i'ld like to see the iroquois confederation or perhaps the lakota (can you really call them sioux? that's what their enemies called them, in fact 'sioux' translates as 'enemy' if i remember right).

    i can understand why there are no native north americans yet, but the lack of mesopotamians makes me crazy...sure babylonia is a popular choice, but i'ld rather see the sumerians, or maybe the assyrians for something new and exciting!
     
  20. s.c.dude

    s.c.dude Invading N.C.

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    being part khmer i say khmer cmon we even conquer vietnam the u.s. can't say that
     

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