Illegal settlement building, in the West Bank

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By the EU.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3480561/Outrage-EU-claims-diplomatic-immunity-using-aid-money-meddle-Middle-East-building-disputed-West-Bank-land.html
The Oslo Accords are a series of agreements between Israel and the Palestinians, made in the Nineties, which divided the West Bank into Areas A, B and C.

Area C was placed under Israeli control, while Areas A and B were Palestinian. The agreements were ratified by the international community, including the EU, and intended as a step towards the two-state solution.

More than 1,000 EU-funded Palestinian homes, as well as roads and other infrastructure, have been erected in the Israeli Area C of the West Bank, without permits from Israel.

But the EU says that international humanitarian legislation, coupled with their belief that Area C will end up in Palestinian hands, allows them to proceed with construction.

Regavim, a right-wing Israeli NGO, has brought a number of law suits against the EU, accusing it of undermining international agreements. On each occasion, the EU avoided court by claiming diplomatic immunity, MailOnline has learnt.

The NGO has questioned whether diplomatic immunity should be applied in this case, as Article 41 of the Vienna Convention states that in return for immunity, diplomats must not 'interfere in the internal affairs of that State'.

A Brussels-based EU spokesperson said: 'Any attempt by local courts to serve or deliver judicial acts to EU Delegations in third countries... may violate the EU's immunity from jurisdiction.'

In recent months, Israel has demolished some of the unauthorised EU buildings, leading to a game of cat-and-mouse and a further waste of aid money. Local witnesses say that earlier this month, the EU constructed a rudimentary school on a Friday, and Israel bulldozed it on Saturday.

In another example of wastage, the EU funded the development of an unauthorised road that bisects Area C from east to west. It was originally a dirt path, but last year the EU widened it with heavy equipment.

Israeli authorities halted the construction in October, before asphalt was laid, and work has been sporadic since. EU-funded drainage and irrigation continues in the area, preparing the ground for future Palestinian settlement.

'It is the most outrageous waste of our aid money at a time when many countries are looking to make difficult savings at home,' Andrew Percy MP said.

Speaking to the foreign media, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's Prime Minister, said: 'When we take down these illegal constructions, we are then again condemned, so it's a Catch-22... This is a clear attempt to create political realities... I think we need to re-set our relationship with the EU.'

Utter hypocrisy by the EU, but what else is expected by them.
 
Seriously? In what way is this hypocritical at all?

Do you understand the international laws governing occupation and why the Israeli settlements and occupation are illegal?
 
Jew islam is nuts.

Did you know there is no p in arabic, so what should we call a free palestine? ballastine? :nods head:
True story p in arabic translates via google as sod.
 
Jew islam is nuts.

Did you know there is no p in arabic, so what should we call a free palestine? ballastine? :nods head:
True story p in arabic translates via google as sod.

I remember that from when I was in Iraq. It's not just 'p' either. We were told in Arabic, they don't have 'c', 'o', 'p', or 'e'.
 
Classical_Hero quoting from the Daily Fail, which, in a total surprise, is once again attempting to position the EU as a malevolent monolith. Of course, expecting nuanced reporting might be a stretch in either case.
 
Arakhor said:
Classical_Hero quoting from the Daily Fail, which, in a total surprise, is once again attempting to position the EU as a malevolent monolith. Of course, expecting nuanced reporting might be a stretch in either case.

Forget that, I want to know the problem with the EU building stuff for the Palestinians on land that is in legal terms unambiguously Palestinian.

The Israeli occupation is entirely illegal and the state of Israel itself makes a mockery of international law just by existing.
 
The Israelis are violating the deal, but so have the Palestinians countless times, not to mention the Palestinian leader Abbas inciting violence and other leaders calling for a new infitida.

To solely blame Israel is ridiculous. No one in their right mind would honor a deal that is not being kept and considering the origins of the Palestinian concept begin with Adolf Hitler and the Mufti who was a former SS solider and was also Arafat's cousin I think it's extremely unlikely that the Palestinians will ever uphold their end of the deal.
 
On the contrary Israel is an apartheid regime and Netanyahu makes Trump look like a responsible and tolerant statesman.
Israel is many things but it certainly isn't apartheid. Inside Israel the situation is actually pretty decent as Netanyahu and his fellow nutters haven't managed to corrupt the Israeli judicial system yet.
The big issue comes from the intentional state of legal limbo for Palestine Netanyahu is encouraging. Israel doesn't own Palestine so Israeli laws in general don't really apply; but Palestine doesn't have the ability to enforce its laws over vast swaths of what in theory will become part of Palestine.
 
Ajidica said:
Israel is many things but it certainly isn't apartheid.

It certainly is apartheid. There are dozens of laws discriminating against citizens of Arab descent and when the occupied territories are included in the analysis there are certainly two different legal systems in operation. Netanyahu and the others are quite open that they have no intention of withdrawing from the illegal occupation.

Indeed, in some respects South African apartheid regime was more benign, because whereas it required the natives as cheap labor Israel simply wants to get rid of them to fulfill the mission of the "Jewish state."

The problem is not confined to Netanyahu and the settler vote, the problem is that even the left in Israel is heavily invested in Volkische nationalism, the logic of which leads through segregation and ethnic cleansing to annihilation.
 
It certainly is apartheid. There are dozens of laws discriminating against citizens of Arab descent and when the occupied territories are included in the analysis there are certainly two different legal systems in operation. Netanyahu and the others are quite open that they have no intention of withdrawing from the illegal occupation.

Indeed, in some respects South African apartheid regime was more benign, because whereas it required the natives as cheap labor Israel simply wants to get rid of them to fulfill the mission of the "Jewish state."

The problem is not confined to Netanyahu and the settler vote, the problem is that even the left in Israel is heavily invested in Volkische nationalism, the logic of which leads through segregation and ethnic cleansing to annihilation.

Utter BS. Israeli citizens of Arab descent have full rights. There are no laws discriminating them.

They may complain of non-legal discrimination, and that is certainly true, just like it is true for many minorities throughout the world, including in many countries that like to criticize Israel. Their situation is certainly far better than than that of ethnic and religious minorities in Arab countries (not to mention the near-slavery condition that poor non-citizens are subject to in the UAE and Saudi Arabia).

But really, this level of hysteria against Israel you show on your post is 99% of the times indicative of an irrational hatred.
 
luiz said:
Utter BS. Israeli citizens of Arab descent have full rights. There are no laws discriminating them.

http://www.adalah.org/en/law/index


luiz said:
They may complain of non-legal discrimination, and that is certainly true, just like it is true for many minorities throughout the world, including in many countries that like to criticize Israel. Their situation is certainly far better than than that of ethnic and religious minorities in Arab countries (not to mention the near-slavery condition that poor non-citizens are subject to in the UAE and Saudi Arabia).

By any number of measures blacks in apartheid South Africa were better off than blacks in the rest of Africa. The question is, so what?


luiz said:
But really, this level of hysteria against Israel you show on your post is 99% of the times indicative of an irrational hatred.

On the contrary, it indicates that I have a clue. There is no hysteria, just a willingness to call things what they are.
 
What a joke!

It lists laws to strip payment of Knesset members convicted for crimes as discriminatory, just like requirements to disclose foreign donations and tuition packages to former soldiers (of any origin)!!

What an outrage! What an apartheid state!

By any number of measures blacks in apartheid South Africa were better off than blacks in the rest of Africa. The question is, so what?
The issue is they're not only materially better off than other Arabs, they're also much freer. That was not the case for blacks under the apartheid. What's more, Arab Israelis enjoy equal rights with Jewish Israelis.

On the contrary, it indicates that I have a clue. There is no hysteria, just a willingness to call things what they are.

Nope, there's hysteria and gross distortions.
 
luiz said:
It lists laws to strip payment of Knesset members convicted for crimes as discriminatory, just like requirements to disclose foreign donations and tuition packages to former soldiers (of any origin)!!

That law was designed to further harass Arab MKs who were accused of trumped-up "crimes" which really amounted to political opposition to the right.

luiz said:
What an outrage! What an apartheid state!

http://www.alhaq.org/attachments/article/236/Occupation_Colonialism_Apartheid-FullStudy.pdf

I'll summarize that report for you: yes, Israel's policies and practices WRT the occupied territories certainly constitute apartheid.
 
That law was designed to further harass Arab MKs who were accused of trumped-up "crimes" which really amounted to political opposition to the right.
The law can and has been apply to Jewish lawmakers as well. In most countries, if a Congressman is convicted of a crime, he can expect some consequences. Suspension of payment is pretty mild. To call that an "apartheid measure" is ridiculous.

http://www.alhaq.org/attachments/article/236/Occupation_Colonialism_Apartheid-FullStudy.pdf

I'll summarize that report for you: yes, Israel's policies and practices WRT the occupied territories certainly constitute apartheid.

Well you have to distinguish between Arab Israelis and Palestinians without Israeli citizenship. Of course, rights are different for those without citizenship (for an extreme example, look how Arab countries such as the UAE, Kuwait and Saudi treat non-citizens from poor Muslim countries. But of course you're only hysterical about Israel...)

You also have to account for the effects of prolonged conflicts in some zones. When and where there's acute conflict, there are more restrictions on freedoms.

But nothing qualifies Israel as an apartheid state, specially if you're talking of how Israel treats its citizens, of any race or confession.
 
Part of the issue with the Arab states is that we already know just how terrible their human rights issues are, yet people seem unwilling to act because they have all that oil just waiting around to be sold. Israel, of course, is treated like the literal Promised Land by millions of people, so necessarily falls into a different category.
 
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