Hey, I've been playing vanilla CiV for a while now mostly on Emperor. When I moved up from King it seemed quite a challenge for my not so good skills. I looked at some Deity play on youtube, modified my tactics and now find Emperor mostly easy. I stepped up to Immortal, and with a few alterations, was keeping pace only to be bogged down by the sheer tedium of fighting the AIs' swelling armies. I bought G&K recently and have stepped up similarly after getting used to the new features; hoping improved AI will have done away with these endless hoards but no. I'm in a game now as the Dutch for the first time, have four cities with decent potential on a large continents map. I'm second lowest in score and Nebby is lowest. He's declared war and every 2-3 swords and 3-4 bowmen I kill another wave turns up. It's mind numbing! Now I enjoyed moving from King to Emperor and find lower difficulty level games unsatisfying. So my (rather subjective) question is this. Is immortal worth it? Is it about improving my strat further? Or is there a diminishing returns argument where the necessity of accuracy and planning means it loses some of its casual fun? I'm interested in your thoughts.