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Imperialism and -Isms, Some Perspective

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by JMA2286, Aug 17, 2019.

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  1. JMA2286

    JMA2286 Chieftain

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    Racism
    Sexism
    Feminism
    Socialism
    Conservatism
    Liberalism
    Syndicalism
    Corporatism

    There are so many -isms, and it seems like all of them matter to whatever degree people care about.

    But do they?

    I would say the root "ism" of them all boils down to a simple word that embodies what the purpose of them all are is Imperialism.

    All racists, anti-racists sexists, feminists, socialists, etc. or those who identify as activists, fighters of, or believers in such "isms" desire to speak for and dictate to the multitude, no matter what they believe for or against.

    Rhetorically, no one really wants to "have a conversation" any more than "do what's right." It isn't morality being debated or pursued, it's results.

    Feminists want to achieve specific objectives and achieve a subjective moral leadership. They want power. Equality and Fairness are rhetorical, but the dialectic ledger of what they seek is no different than any imperial rule of the past. There would have to be a ruling elite to dominate the misguided masses that need you, a bureaucracy to administrate it, a military / police to enforce it, and a secular or religious clergy to ensure moral conformity, while punishing traitors and heretics.

    Let's face it, believers and fighters of the "isms" of our day.

    You want to rule. You want power. You want to be an Emperor or Empress, and for your vision to be the light the world depends on, like a lighthouse on the shore.

    How you specify your version of Imperialism is semantics. You want the throne.

    And silly things like nationality, families, and traditions are just obstacles. Who cares what your family or extended family has done for however long?

    You know better.

    So my perspective I'm offering is that if you subscribe to or are intent on fighting an "ism," you want to play the game of Empire.

    If you want to build a family that has everything that matters in common and associate with other families that have a similar way of life, pledging to defend that from those who would violate your autonomy, then you play the game of Nation.

    I argue they are mutually exclusive. Nations cannot be diverse. Empires are, by definition, diverse.

    So if you pledge to a cause other than Nation, can anyone truly describe it as different than Empire?

    If you're a Conservative, why stop with just the people you agree with? Don't they need some Freedom(TM) in their lives?

    If you're a Socialist, why stop with just the people you agree with? Don't they need some Equality(TM) in their lives?

    If you're a Feminist, why stop with just the people you agree with? Don't they need some Misogyny(TM) removed from their lives?

    I challenge everyone on this board that doesn't play the game of Nation to debate me on this.

    Prove that you would not install your vision upon as much of the world as you can possibly could.
     
  2. Synsensa

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    The people who don't like marginalized populations being oppressed are the REAL fascists!
     
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    But when does that oppression end?

    The truth you do not want to admit, as an imperialist, is that the only way those marginalized populations could possibly be free is by forming their own nation, demanding uniformity from those that already believe such so that their descendants remain so.

    Demanding preferential and honored treatment from the masses is no different than becoming Caesar
     
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    Do you feel white men have too hard nowadays, that they are the ones really oppressed?
     
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    Ethno-nationalism is boring, my dude.
     
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    I don't feel sorry for anyone who calls themselves "White" because they identify as an imperial identity, and complain if it isn't going the way they want it to go.

    Racial identity in an empire is no different than Ideological identity. You are competing for the throne. If you're losing, expect to pay tribute to the winner

    The hyphen isn't necessary. That's like saying Islamic Islam
     
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    Nations can be and frequently are diverse. USA being a prime example of that.
    Nations can be and frequently are oppressive and some of the worst like Saudi Arabia are not very diverse.
     
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    I'm not sure what your point actually is. And Proving things in an internet debate can be a challenge in itself. Are you saying that everyone is after power and just cloak their approach differently?
     
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    Nations are not capable of being diverse. If the common origin, faith, and tradition is a super majority that makes those that deny it no different than a foreigner.

    The US Constitution was never meant to build a Nation. The "American Dream" was a nicer, more benevolent form of empire that, ultimately, recreated the Venetian merchant elite on a much larger scale. As it was destined to, the Protestant Anglo-Saxon German Empire gave way to the Humanist Oligarchic Empire. Without theocracy, dictatorship, or aristocracy, oligarchy reigns. That is why The Economy (TM) is the top imperial pursuit of the USA. Control of resources is what rules the USA Empire

    Not just power. The power to impose their will upon whoever they can in the name of their "ism"
     
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    So the US is not a diverse nation? Or are you saying it wasn't diverse in 1776?

    Who is the the "their" in all this? Let's begin by identifying the players here.
     
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    Has there been an empire that wasn't based upon a state (except the Hapsburgs perhaps)? In modern times nations have been the foundations of empire but even in ages past empires tended to be dominated by those who founded them.
    In contrast you describe feminists and others as modern imperialists but even if I accepted your premise that they were seeking domination (which I don't) isn't that seeking to replace an existing dominant group rather than imperialism?
     
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    I'm saying it is not possible for a Nation to be diverse. The US was diverse in 1776, because Dutch, Germans, and British descendants formed the three major groups of the Protestant Ango-German America. Thus, it was an empire from the beginning. An Empire of Immigrants. The immigration policy enacted right away further cemented its imperial path. Welcoming foreigners of any persuasion is no different than conquering them. The expectation is for both to conform to the imperial ruler.

    I already identified the players.
     
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    So what is your end goal here, what are you advocating for?
     
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    Like I was saying, it's just competing factions in the Empire. Replacing the dominant group doesn't change its composition, it just changes who is in charge of the Empire. How the faction rules is irrelevant until it pursues its own deconstruction in the form of separate Nations. How high the taxes are, the mandatory citing of oaths, who gets what welfare, doesn't matter because it isn't a supermajority of common origin, faith, and tradition people, it's multiple nations being dictated to by one.

    I want people to understand what they truly fight for and its only legitimate alternative.

    People who find the society they are part of uncomfortable should at least be aware that there is no reform in an empire that won't come at a cost to others. Until such time as the state represents the Nation, there can be no unity or even stability.

    And if comfort to an ideology means discomfort to a competitor, then at least embrace the fact that you desire power and domination over those who despise.
     
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    Well I believe that its possible to want to change a society without desiring power and domination and without despising most of its population.
     
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    It is in a Nation. It is not in an Empire. And Ideologies such as Feminism, Racism, etc. led us all to this point because they are not popular in a Nation that agrees on everything that matters and is not divided by origins. Ideologies require outside help, which is why the Imperialist Vladimir Lenin required outside assistance to achieve his goals of dominating his countrymen. It is also why the tribes of North America regretted getting help from the New Americans in their tribal conflicts.

    Ideology is a gateway drug to Imperialism. By dividing a Nation into Socialists and Capitalists, or whatever, the two groups seek assistance abroad and then make diverse that which was not before. Empires need division. That's the only way supremacy can operate.

    Aristocracy was an ideology of the past. That's why European nobility married outside of their nation and did not care about its consequences. The monarchs believed they were supreme, and when they went too far, the guillotines came out, and the People's new Freedom (TM) proved just as tyrannical, if not more so.

    So it's nice to hope for that, but history does not account such pursuits that way. No ideology rises without conflict and suffering
     
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    No you're the imperialist
     
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    Wait a minute are you really claiming that the USA agreed on everything until "foreign ideologies" like racism and feminism were introduced? You do know that much of the ideas on feminism and racism have originated within your own country because of the injustices within your country?
     
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    Read the other posts. I claim the opposite. The USA has always been an empire.The isms originated in the US because the 1960s was the beginning of the Humanist imperial era that strives to diversify the empire even more than it already was, ethnically and ideologically

    By virtue of what? I can only imagine how much projection is going on
     
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    What is it with these malignant ethno nationalists and their tortured logic and complete lack of understanding towards human history.

    Nothing you said here stands up consistently. None of it is really accurate at all. None it is reality.

    So go dream your little dream in your little hovel and bath in your racism, misogyny and fear and leave the rest of the world alone.
     
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