NerdExtrodinare
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Well comp advantages probably has something to do with it, on Diety and Immortal it's not something I can fight.
Well comp advantages probably has something to do with it, on Diety and Immortal it's not something I can fight.
I agree with folks that say India 's UA is almost too strong. The pressure is ridiculously high and there was no way I could compete. I was next to India and we both founded religion around the same time , me maybe 10-20 turns later. He passively converted majority of MY cities to Hinduism easily despite my missionaries. (Which I was popping fast every 5 turns) Very frustrating - I felt helpless. What would be a viable strategy in this case? Other than taking him out. We are talking >100 pressure from him.
I agree with folks that say India 's UA is almost too strong. The pressure is ridiculously high and there was no way I could compete. I was next to India and we both founded religion around the same time , me maybe 10-20 turns later. He passively converted majority of MY cities to Hinduism easily despite my missionaries. (Which I was popping fast every 5 turns) Very frustrating - I felt helpless. What would be a viable strategy in this case? Other than taking him out. We are talking >100 pressure from him.
That's what Inquisitors exactly do. If you want to convert Indian city's majority to yours, use GP.
It ultimately depends on how in depth the original religion is. I have gone in with 2 GPs and 4 missionaries (evangelists, so they are stronger), and it still didn't do the job. You get into a game of whack of mole where the original religions pressure just pops it back up....meanwhile your cities start to flip.
It quickly gets to a point where its just not worth fighting, it costs so much faith to fight that its far better to just accept your new religion, and save your faith for GP.
That said, I think the issue may be less India and more the new religion spread. I think the old spread was too weak, but the new one may be too strong, and we could use something in the middle.
Keep in mind that India's UA only affects cities owned by India, so while the pressure for Indian cities will be severe in border cities, the UA bonus only extends that far. Proper settling (i.e. don't settle a long line of cities along India's border) will limit the efficacy of the UA.
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So your solution to combating their UA is just "Don't settle near him." That's not really a viable idea sometimes, it can really kneecap you to settle less just to not have to deal with his religion. And on top of that, it doesn't' stop him from settling near you.
Keep in mind that India's UA only affects cities owned by India, so while the pressure for Indian cities will be severe in border cities, the UA bonus only extends that far. Proper settling (i.e. don't settle a long line of cities along India's border) will limit the efficacy of the UA.
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I think some of the changes to Pantheons have really hurt India. Wisdom was one of my go to pantheons, but even with tradition's extra faith and shrine first in every city I haven't been able to found a religion on Immortal with that Pantheon. Protection was another pantheon I liked as India, but with the AI emphasizing faith more you can't really choose it and found. Nature isn't broken anymore if you start on 12 mountains. If you choose resource based pantheons your UA doesn't do much. You will only get a few turns of actually using the pantheon before someone who went shrine first gets theirs.
But I find that other civs are doing better ignoring the founding. Usurping works. And if your civ is religious, it should be able to found prioritizing.It hurts a lot of civs I think, anyone who could really use a religion just got hit hard. I'm not really sure I like it personally. I guess it helps an AI if they actually found or get the right pantheon, but I preferred when there was more differentiation and then I admit, more access to a fun part of the game. I forgot to save it, but looked into the AI Production Log of a game I started on the new version, and of 15, the only AI that didn't build a shrine first was Ethiopia who of course chose their UB.
But I find that other civs are doing better ignoring the founding. Usurping works. And if your civ is religious, it should be able to found prioritizing.
Currently not following my advice. I managed to found with Sweden in Emperor.