Indian UHV in BtS

Giger

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I tried Abegweit's strategy many times. Used to work well in Warlords but in BtS it just wouldn't work. So I tried another way.

Basically, Abegweit is right when he says that Takashilla is the key to victory. It's so important in BtS in fact that I suggest to simply skip founding Delhi. Sure you lose two precious turn right at the beginning but you'll save the time it takes to build a settler. Plus it's a much better spot to found a city. more commerce, food and no jungle. And later on when the time comes to found Delhi you can place it east of the ivory so it will be able to work the iron hill and become a production center.

Once founded, I build 2 warriors. When the population reach 3, switch to a worker. Once done it will hook up the marble tile. After that I usually finish my warrior and then build the temple of artemis when I get polytheism. The free priest will come handy to get that great prophet.

The science path is the same as Abegweit by the way. Masonry, Polytheism, Monotheism, Hinduism, Priesthood, etc....

I get Judaism at turn 38. Swtich to Organized religion when you do and choose a religion. Or at least when you are finished building the warriors and ready to build the temple or artemis.

Get Priesthood and switch to production to the two temples (I usually don't even have to whip them out... don't seem to matter anyway). After that complete the temple of artemis and build the oracle.

Don't forget to send those warriors to get all the goody huts while making their way to europe. You will need them to make contact with europe, Greece and Carthage to trade for techs. You will need to get writing from them. Or maybe research it yourself if they won't trade for it. Just remember to never trade Hinduism, Polytheism and Priesthood to the Greeks before you build the oracle, otherwise they will beat you to it.

So there you have it. At this point you should have your 5 religions and get a nice golden age.

For that final goal what you need is to build a stack of elephants and send them to china. Otherwise they will beat you to the population goal. Do as in Abegweit's strategy, switch religion to be friendly to the persians, settle delhi east of the ivory (to get that iron). Trade for iron working while you research mathematics, construction and horseback riding. You have to send those elephants fast to china so they won't have time to get Pikemans and usually they'll be pretty easy to collapse.

Fill up the continent and with all the health ressources hooked up you should have no difficulty achieving a historical victory.

Let me know if it worked for you... I am thinking of updating the wiki if the strategy turns out to be reliable enough.
 
What about telling rhye about this????????????
can you please stop writing useless comments to EVERY thread around!

...Basically, Abegweit is right when he says that Takashilla is the key to victory...
It can also be done with Lahore. You also have access to marble and all the fertile tiles plus you save one turn for founding your firts city.
 
The point is, he will, soon. He doesn't need to be e-mailed or told immediately every single time someone finishes a UHV.
 
Hi, i just tried this out, not possible, The neutrals still get it 5 turns before i do in turn 33, i tried to let city grow to size 4, but that only changed this result by 1 turn, so 4 turns before i could do it.
 
I've stopped trying for the Indian UHV on Monarch. If I beeline straight for Monotheism, the Independents or Egyptians always get to it by Turn 30. Tried at least 30 times, using various starting spots and different types of building techniques (no workers, or only military) over the last three months. It seems very hard to do unless you're playing on Viceroy. Strangely, while playing as the Chinese, it was founded on Turn 46... :mad:
 
Virdrago & DodgyDave: What version were playing ?

I have never seen the neutrals or the egyptian get to monotheism before turn 40 in my games (previous version 3.02 not the latest).

Maybe they poped it from a goody hut.... That happened to me once.

It seems pretty much impossible to get to monotheism in at least 30 turns. There's just not enough gold around india. Even if you would manage to get the marble hooked up sooner you would only get 2 more gold... would change the result by maybe 2 turns...

To really make a difference you would need some gold or silver around so if you'd be able to make that worker fast it would be worth the limited pop growth.
 
I am currently playing a game on Monarch level. Following Giger's plan, I got monotheism on turn 37....It didn't really seem that hard to get!!

Thanks Giger...:goodjob:
 
Giger: I play on Monarch, until I get frustrated, play a bit of Viceroy, find it too easy, and set myself up for frustration again... India and Ethiopia are my two biggest pet peeves right now.

Yesterday, I tried your method for India (on Monarch), and got Monotheism, but with eight turns to go researching it, As-Sur (Independent) founded Hinduism... :wallbash: :cry:
 
Virdrago & DodgyDave: What version were playing ?

I have never seen the neutrals or the egyptian get to monotheism before turn 40 in my games (previous version 3.02 not the latest).

eh ? 80% of the times Judaism is founded on turn 26...
 
I think getting both Judaism and Hinduism is a matter of luck. After a couple of unsuccessfull tries, I tried another strategy.
I settled Takashilla as the first city and i build a worker first.
I researched Masonry, Hinduism, Priesthood and Writing. As soon as i get Priesthood i began building the Oracle and i get it the turn i discovered Writing.
I chose Math as the freetech and i founded confucianism!!!!
But it's also a matter of luck because i got agriculture in a goody hut and I could irrigate the ressources around the capital.
Then, it was easy to get Theology by research and Divine Right with 2 GP.
But i failed to the population goal.
 
But i failed to the population goal.

Exactly. I don't know how do so many people win the Indian UHV. In my experience it's pure frustration. First, I need many retries to get both Judaism and Hinduism. Then, I need many retries to also get the Oracle in time. After this the religion goal is pretty much done (even if with a bare few turns before Mecca is founded), but then I will fail the population goal due to the Chinese monster. If I will focus on the pop. goal I will fail the religions goal. You need three times big luck in a row
- Found both Hinduism and Judaism before Indipendents (pure luck)
- Build the Oracle before Greece, Babylon or China (luck again, unless you move the capital west, but I find it ridiculous that to win a historical victory you found an Indian capital west of the Hindus, and I refuse to do it :p)
- Be first in population (again luck, since if China doesn't collapse I can hardly see the light at the end of the tunnel... and China normally collapses due to Mongols, which means after 1200 AD).

In few words, India is probably the UHV I tried the most without a success :'(
 
Exactly. I don't know how do so many people win the Indian UHV. In my experience it's pure frustration. First, I need many retries to get both Judaism and Hinduism. Then, I need many retries to also get the Oracle in time. After this the religion goal is pretty much done (even if with a bare few turns before Mecca is founded), but then I will fail the population goal due to the Chinese monster. If I will focus on the pop. goal I will fail the religions goal. You need three times big luck in a row
- Found both Hinduism and Judaism before Indipendents (pure luck)
- Build the Oracle before Greece, Babylon or China (luck again, unless you move the capital west, but I find it ridiculous that to win a historical victory you found an Indian capital west of the Hindus, and I refuse to do it :p)
- Be first in population (again luck, since if China doesn't collapse I can hardly see the light at the end of the tunnel... and China normally collapses due to Mongols, which means after 1200 AD).

In few words, India is probably the UHV I tried the most without a success :'(

Ok, I'll confess I founded at Takashila (won a UHV before this thread was even posted). However, assuming you make the religious goals, the way to win the population goal is not to build a lot of cities and stay at home. Nope. Build a bunch of war elephants and go ransack china. Seriously. Add some of their beefy cities to your empire and you'll easily win the population goal. (The only civ I really ended up competing with for population was *japan*... go figure). You can swat Hanoi on the way to China while you're at it. Never pass up the opportunity to grab a city with good growth potential.
 
I'm not that much of an expert or a warmonger, but I got the Indian UHV (monarch) after 2 tries (1st time because of Judaism). The population issue doesn't have to be resolved militarily. My strategy was to flip some Persian cities with great artists at the Tak.... city (and Cyrus even presented me with Samarkand which was totally surrounded by my culture). Founded 4-5 cities in southern India, which can grow really big if you build them at the coast (for health), give them farms, harbors, and TIME (most important). Captured Pagan with a couple of elephants and let it grow to 11 after whipping a harbor and granary, but it took time. I was lucky to have no plague hit me, but I traded for all the healthy resources from other cultures. The Chinese were still alive when I won in 1200 just behind me in pop.:king:
 
Ok, I'll confess I founded at Takashila (won a UHV before this thread was even posted). However, assuming you make the religious goals, the way to win the population goal is not to build a lot of cities and stay at home. Nope. Build a bunch of war elephants and go ransack china. Seriously. Add some of their beefy cities to your empire and you'll easily win the population goal. (The only civ I really ended up competing with for population was *japan*... go figure). You can swat Hanoi on the way to China while you're at it. Never pass up the opportunity to grab a city with good growth potential.

Oh, I wasn't aware the Elephants could pass the jungle. Thanks for the input, this should make the pop goal definitely doable.
 
I did it!!!
After several tries, i did it!

For the population goal i have sent some spies to China to poison the water.
I had no war with anybody.
 
Oh, I wasn't aware the Elephants could pass the jungle. Thanks for the input, this should make the pop goal definitely doable.

Elephants and UUs seem to be the only units capable of traversing jungle. And since India doesn't have a military UU...
 
I just completed this one, without ever fighting a single war.

I founded my first town on top of the wheat west of the start (the marble and floodplains are essential), and focused totally of gold-producing plots until I had Judaism. I didn't make any workers or settlers until I had 3 religions, then founded Delhi and worked my way south. I ended up with 6 total cities in the Indian region, and just telling them to focus on Food was enough to easily have more population than China or Babylon (the world superpower).

The only other element to this game was that I was constantly at war with China (no battles though), since I started the game by sending over my initial warrior to declare war, steal their workers, pillage, make peace, and repeat. I got 3 of his workers before he became too angry to negotiate peace with any more. :)

I suspect that strategy kept China permanently behind in population, even after he finally cornered my brave little warrior and slaughtered him. :)
 
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