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Indonesia Civ

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Creation & Customization' started by civilleader, Mar 24, 2004.

  1. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    I decided that in addition to the Khmer, we need one more Southeast asian civ. Its either Indonesia, or Polynesians. Ilike Indonesia more, since it is the world's largest islamic nation and the fourth largest nation populationwise, on the globe. I think it could be modled after India or China, ie. 20th century leader w/ GL from previous times.

    I personally Like Sukarno as Leader.

    Here is a city list so far: (added Malaysia, Singapore into this civ, since they speak nearly the same language.) Tell me if I'm incorrect.

    Jakarta
    Surabaya
    Semarang
    Medan
    Palembang
    Ujungpadang
    Samarinda
    Balikapan
    Jambi
    Banjarmasin
    Jayapura
    Pontianak
    Surakarta
    Malang
    Yogyakarta
    Badung
    Manado
    Banda Aceh
    Tanjungbalai
    Singapore
    Mataram
    Denpasar
    Bogor
    Cianjur
    Palangkaraya
    Bandar Seri Begawan
    Kuala Lumpur
    Kota Baharu
    Kota Yerengganu
    Ipoh
    Padang
    Garut
    Sumenep
    Raba
    Memboro
    Enda
    Dili
    Ocussi
    Tepa
    Saumlaki
    Kokas
    Sorong
    Manokwari
    Bosnik
    Serui
    Sarmi
    Kepi
    Birab
    Meruake
    Ambon
    Bula
    Piru
    Wayabula
    Galela
    Weda
    Labuha
    Talok
    Palu
    Sinkang
    Sinjali
    Bantaeng
    Majene
    Watampone
    Kumai
    Dumai
    Sibu
    Magelang
    Puwokerto
    Saumlaki
    Sinabang
    Gunungsitoli
    Padangsidempuan
    Binjai
    Sibolga
    Bukittingi
    Taiping
    George Town
    Alor Setar
    Melaka
    Serembang
    Labuha
    Tual
    Banyuwangi
    Turban
    Kota Kinabalu
    Bintulu
     
  2. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    Oops, I took cities from Brunei, and East Timor too. My logic is that the extended city lists for India have Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi cities, therefore I think Indonesia could have one too.
     
  3. Dann

    Dann Green bug

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    We definitely need one more civ to populate the Southeast Asian islands. They're too different from the peninsular Indochinese to be lumped together with the Khmers or the Siamese.

    IMO no problem adding Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore to this civ. I actually think you should add Philippines to this also, but call this civ "the Malays" instead of Indonesian. That would take care of any current "nationalistic" problems.

    Historically, all these nations actually shared the same racial, religious and cultural stock before European colonization divided them and they then developed separately.

    Indonesia had its pre-colonial moments of glory - the Srivijaya and Majapahit empires. Malaysia too - the Malacca Sultanate. You can research on these and find some more cities and leaders for this civ. Do keep Indonesia as the major component because they were the largest power in the area then. (and even maybe now.)

    I also nominate Philippines' Dr. Jose Rizal for Malay civ scientific GL. :)
     
  4. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    All right, I added a few cities since I last posted, I think I'll add the Philippenes too then if all agree. But for nation name, should we make it the Mahajaphit Empire, since that did unify the archepelago? The Malays is an adjective, not a proper noun to, to describe the empire though, so what to do about that. What would be the unique unit? I think some sort of sea vessel, since that's where they were the best. Otherwise, an elephant archer or some thing. What would you say about the leader. Who should it be. Now with so many "malay" nations, I think Hayam Wuruk would be the best over Sukarno, agreed?
     
  5. Dann

    Dann Green bug

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    For naval UU some sort of oversized outrigger canoe with troop carrying capacity I guess. But this would come quite early in the tech tree.

    For land UU some fanatical kris-wielding half naked warrior. These guys would have rope tied to strategic points along their bodies, arms and legs to restrict circulation, and fed potions before being sent off to battle. The result is a warrior that feels no pain, can take lots of hack and arrow wounds, and will continue to fight until collapsing and dying from massive loss of blood. I don't know how to implement this in the game though. :D

    Here's some pictures of the kris. It's a dagger with a wavy blade.

     
  6. Zenon_pt

    Zenon_pt Civing on the real world

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    Dili???

    Dili is in East Timor!!!
     
  7. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    look at the 2nd post I said I forgot Brunei, Timor.
     
  8. LouLong

    LouLong In love with Rei Ayanami

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    I can make a guy UU wearing a sarong but I haven't found the proper weapon yet (and there are other units queued in at my palette-maker's now) but I could maybe make it.
     
  9. Antiochus VII

    Antiochus VII Basileus

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    I think the war canoe would be appropriate for a uu, perhaps

    1-1-2 cost 20 carry 1 -1 hit point

    but with "seafaring" it'd be almost as good as a galley.

    btw any ideas on the civ traits? Seafaring for sure - Religious or Agricultural?
     
  10. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    religious, even today in indonesia, every person is required to register as a Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist. It is the largest islamic nation in the world. They adopted other people's religions as their own very quickly, ie. Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam.
     
  11. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    Is it agreed that the GL should be Hayam Wuruk?
     
  12. regen2ndx

    regen2ndx gamer

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    For Your Information,

    in indonesian map, some of the cities name spelled like this:
    Balikapan -> Balikpapan
    Badung -> Bandung (badung means naughty in indonesian :D)
    Meruake -> Merauke

    also IMHO you are missing some important cities there:
    Surabaya, Medan, Karawang.

    :)
     
  13. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    Thanks, Surabaya and Medan are at the very beginning. Fpr spme reason I never found Karawang on the atlas I was using. How big is it?

    I tend to mispell things. Thanks for the feedback.

    Being an indonesian regen2ndx, do you agree with Hayam Wuruk as GL for an indonesian civ?

    I added a new word to my bhasa vocabulary! I used to have
    Selamat Datang-Welcome
    Keluar-Exit
    Pintu-Door
    Duduk-Seat

    now I know Badung! (I was in Malaysia for a day, picked up a little bhasa in the process.)
     
  14. Gr3yL3gion

    Gr3yL3gion Voice of Madness

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    Cool,
    The land unique unit, if implemented, could be named Pendekar( Warrior in Malay)

    I'm Malaysian.
     
  15. aaminion00

    aaminion00 Stoned

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    Hm, I'm a bit confused. So are Indonesians, Malaysians, and Phillippinos, all part of a greater "malay" group, sort of lik the dutch germans and austrians are all germanic?
     
  16. LouLong

    LouLong In love with Rei Ayanami

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  17. civilleader

    civilleader Chieftain

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    I prefer indonesia having a unique naval unit, since there are so many islands, and they defeated Genghis Khan in naval warfare. Right now temporarily I have indonesia in my game with cities, GL as Hayam Wuruk, the appropriate military leaders, and religious and expansionist traits. I'm playing PtW still. The Polynesian Hokulea is a temporary UU, and Tangaloa by Sween32 is the leaderhead. This will all change once I get a UU and Leaderhead. I prefer though a boat since thats how they've been playing for a while. If you all believe in a land UU, then I'll buy that though.

    Are the Dutch are considered as German still, aaminion00? I thought that ended in the 1500's.
     
  18. aaminion00

    aaminion00 Stoned

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    I never said German.
     
  19. regen2ndx

    regen2ndx gamer

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    actually Karawang is noat a big city at all, but it is an important city since it produce rice a lot.

    Hayam Wuruk as GL? Unfortunately I don't know much about history. So I can't say I agree or disagree.

    more vocabulary :D good for you.

    :)
     
  20. Gr3yL3gion

    Gr3yL3gion Voice of Madness

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    I think their civ traits should be commercial and religious.

    They ancient Malay empire plays and important role in trading between east(China) and west(India and Arabs) in the past.

    Religious because they receive influences from Hinduism(Srivijaya and Majapahit) and Islam(Malacca Sultanate).

    What do yoiu guys think?
     

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