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Indonesia discussion

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by nunor, May 17, 2013.

  1. bob massingbird

    bob massingbird Chieftain

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    They are NOT too strong. Remember they replace Swordman, which is not exactly a unit well positioned in tech tree. Not to mention your civ will likely not strong enough to either produce or support large mass of Kris swordmen in that stage of game.
     
  2. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Something we just learned from MadDjinn's video:

    Iron is revealed at Bronzeworking and the research cost of Ironworking has gone down.

    Thus you can learn if you have iron available earlier, which allows you to decide whether to pursue Ironworking.

    Also, you can improve the tiles prior to unlocking swordsmen, and the reduction in research cost combine to give you more time to use them before Pikemen hit the scene.

    So the swordman situation has improved.
     
  3. meowschwitz

    meowschwitz Warlord

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    Does anybody think the Candi shouldn't need a fresh water source; am I missing something as to why it should?

    Would that be easy to change once it comes out?
     
  4. asmartlittleman

    asmartlittleman Chieftain

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    Chandis would be OP without the water restriction because it will be the most producing building for faith. If you have 3 religions in the city that is already 6 faith which is a lot for a building that does not normally produce faith to begin with. Temples produce 3 faith with a SP so I think the restriction is needed because the benefit is really good.
     
  5. turingmachine

    turingmachine Emperor

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    It would be very easy to mod out, (literally deleting one line in the Building's XML entry), although, as said, it was done for balance reasons.
     
  6. moysturfurmer

    moysturfurmer Emperor

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    did these get posted yet?
    MYSTIC BLADE Promotion is replaced with a randomly chosen new promotion after the unit completes its first combat. (I believe this is the one represented with the "?" logo)
    INVULNERABIILITY +30% Combat Bonus when defending. +20 Hit Points when healing
    SNEAK ATTACK Flank attack bonus increased by 50%
    HEROISM Unit awards combat bonus to nearby units as if it is a Great General
    AMBITION +50% Combat Bonus when attacking. -20% penalty when defending
    RESTLESSNESS May Attack Twice. 1 Extra Movement
    RECRUITMENT Heals All Damage If Kills Non-Barbarian Unit
    ENEMY BLADE Takes 20 Damage If Ends Turn in Enemy Territory
    EVIL SPIRITS -10% penalty when attacking. -30% penalty when defending


    EDIT: yup
     
  7. bob massingbird

    bob massingbird Chieftain

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    I'm not a native English speaker so CMIW.

    according to http://well-of-souls.com/civ/civ5_bravenewworld.html, the stat is

    So :

    *If you build candi in city without any religion, you get a base +2 Faith.
    *If the city has 1 religion you get 2 faith + 2 bonus faith = 4 total faith.
    *If the city has 2 religion you get 2 faith + 4 bonus faith = 6 total faith.
    *If the city has 3 religion you get 2 faith + 6 bonus faith = 8 total faith.
     
  8. bob massingbird

    bob massingbird Chieftain

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    double post, sorry.
     
  9. asmartlittleman

    asmartlittleman Chieftain

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    bob massingbird thanks for the info forgot that chandi had a base of 2 faith. This makes it quite powerful especially now with ITR spreading religious influence.
     
  10. bob massingbird

    bob massingbird Chieftain

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    Ironically, although Indonesia is intended for archipelago/islands gameplay, if it is spawned in coast next to a long river (very common in Pagea) in the desert, it will be a faith juggernaut, with Desert Folklore+Candi+whatever Pagoda/Mosque/Cathedral you have.
     
  11. fbass

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    A lot of Candi are built near rivers, that is true. But Indonesia, being an archipelago, hardly has great rivers and lakes (not the small ones, but the one that is visible on larger map of the world).

    So, my suggestion is in order to make it more historically accurate, the restriction of water should be erased. However to avoid making Candi too easy or too powerful, just make +1 faith, instead of +2 for each religions. Too weak? Ok then, throw in any below:

    • +1 food to connect with Indonesia's agrarian society, or

    • +1 culture to connect with Candi annual religious festivals, or

    • +1 happiness since it's a religious building afterall.
     
  12. seancolorado

    seancolorado Deity

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    The narrator guy at the leader intro screen says "Gayah Mada" instead of "Gajah Mada" with a hard J. (This isn't the Czech Republic, you pronounce your J's in most Indonesian words)

    Not gonna lie, that bugs me a tad
     
  13. PhilBowles

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    Yes, I caught that too, although it made me think the narrator was trying Spanish rather than Czech pronunciation. He says "Mayapahit" too.
     
  14. ToodleElNoodos

    ToodleElNoodos Warlord

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    Which always confuses me more, because if they were going Spanishy, I would expected them to say "Gaha: Mada".
     
  15. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    In the Slavic languages, as well as some Germanic languages that are not English, the "j" has a "y" sound. German for example, has "ja" pronounced as "ya."
     
  16. seancolorado

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    You can't always nitpick them for making errors regarding "fluff", but in this case it's pretty basic you would think at least one thing they would make sure to get right is the correct pronunciation of the leader name at the main intro
     
  17. seancolorado

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    Also, has anybody translated Gajah Mada yet?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUOYRC6ksA

    Regardless, I asked somebody I know who knows Older forms of Javanese to help out the exact wording

    The only thing I can make out is when he points his Kris sword showing his land he says the Javanese form of "Nusantara" which in English is referring to the Indonesian archipelago and all the unified islands
     
  18. JokerJace

    JokerJace Prince

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    I just finished my first BNW game. It was as Indonesia and I achieved a Autocraty Diplo Victory. I must say against all expactations, Indonesia plays amazingly well.
     
  19. seancolorado

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    I'm going for Diplo in my current game with them. How did Autocracy fit in to your particular game?
     
  20. seancolorado

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    I was just playing Civ and unlocked a Great Work of Music!!!

    "Wasitodiningrat - Ladrang Sri Duhito"

    I didn't think they would include something Javanese !! :yeah:
     

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