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Innovia Embassy

Discussion in 'Team Epsilon' started by General_W, Jan 3, 2007.

  1. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Innovia Embassy


    Last Update: Turn 109

    Team Innovia
    Leader: Saggioun the Wise
    Civ: Saladin, Arabia
    Traits: Philosophical, Spiritual
    UU: Camel Archer
    Contact: Turn 107

    Current Trades: None
    Resources Available for Trade: No Route Established

    Technology to Trade: none
    Missing Technology: Monotheism (100), Iron Working (200), Currency (400), Metal Casting (450)

    Gold to Trade: 38 (1gpt)


    Known towns:
    Wheelville(Capital) Hindu Holy City / Kashi Vishwanath
    PloughLand
    Sinsberg
    Chowderton
    Polynesia
    Magaden


    Spoiler First Contact Info and Note :




    Dear Saggioun the Wise & all Innoviates,

    Greetings from the golden halls of Epsilon Eridani! The Leader of Epsilon Team sends you his warm regards.

    Our humble scout, "Dark Puma" has caught sight of your Might Warrior, Discoverer ... we are very pleased to meet you, and look forward to mutual cooperation with your glorious people.

    We are a naturally peaceful people, and if you’ll agree, we believe there is much we can learn and trade together. We see that we have no immediate opportunities for trade, but if you're interested, we'd like to offer you the chance to catch up in technology by purchasing some technology from us at a steep discount (how does 50% of the beaker cost in gold sound?). We’d even be willing to transfer you desired knowledge immediately, and let you pay over time.

    But we don’t want to jump the gun too much! What are your interests in a relationship with Epsilon? We stand ready to sign a peace deal if you’d like to start there?

    We eagerly await your reply.

    Sincerely Yours,
    Foreign Minister General_W
    Epsilon Team!
     
  2. lost_civantares

    lost_civantares [Insert Title]

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    w00t! We meet a 3rd victim! :p

    I think we are pushing the trading a little too much, especially since it is over half of our letter. It definitely should be in there, but I agree with the letter, we are jumping the gun a little. I think the part about the discount should be in another letter, not quickly spit out in front of them as soon as we meet.
     
  3. Memphus

    Memphus Deity

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    I also Agree With Lost_civ at this point we just want to establish contact.

    Keep in mind they won't know we have met for 1-2 more days pending on the save (Loco=>Pfiffle first)
     
  4. DaveMcW

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    Once again, I am extremely eager to sell Innovia any tech we have.

    Sell tech-tech at 80%, or tech-gold at 40%.
     
  5. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    I agree with Dave, I’m extremely eager to sell techs. The more people we have buying, the more profitable it is for us.

    However, LostCiv and Memphus may be right – this letter is quite possibly too much for a first contact letter.
    So – here’s a toned down version of it.

    Version 1.1

    Thoughts?


    P.S. My full update won’t come till tomorrow. Sorry! :blush: later night than I expected.
     
  6. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    No further feedback? I plan to send this note by the end of the day.
    :salute:
     
  7. peter grimes

    peter grimes ...

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    Sorry - I didn't know you were waiting for me ;)

    Yes, I think it is good.
     
  8. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    ok - Sent!
    :salute:
     
  9. azzaman333

    azzaman333 meh

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    Their high food suggests that they could be using a specialist economy?
     
  10. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Yeah – I think it indicates 2 things…

    1) They prioritized getting a lot of cities (as evidenced by their 6 cities already!)
    2) They are also focusing at least somewhat on specialists… as they got a very early great prophet even without a wonder to fuel the GP points. This also makes sense given that Saladin is a Philosophical leader.

    Still – It looks to me like they are in danger of being crippled by expanding too fast without the economy and cottages to support that growth.
     
  11. gbno1fan

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    Also they could be candidates for a well planned pillaging campaign. If we focus efforts on pillaging the cottages they do build, we could easily cripple them since they don't have a widespread economy.
     
  12. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Word from Innovia with the save:
    Guess we'll wait to hear from their foreign minister!
     
  13. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Word in from the Innovians!

    What should we offer to sell Currency for? I'd argue for more than 50% - maybe 60 or 70 ? Since it's a monopoly tech still?
    Thoughts?
     
  14. Memphus

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    Correct See if they will bite for 60% or 70%, at the very least 50%

    But I would lay it out in payment plans this turn.

    Why 50,60 or 70?? Being a monopoly tech explain it to them this way. The have 3 payment options over 10 turns

    They can start payments next turn and half way through, we will transfer Currency (for 60%, lets say in 5 turns)

    Or we can transfer it first in goodwill, for 70%, and payements begin thereafter.

    Or they have the option to make payment over 10 turns at which point we will then give them currewncy (50%)

    This way the ball is in thier court and they can make the call. Any of them work for us and eve nat 50% we still do good (not to mention we get 10 turns of +gpt first :) )

    Thoughts?
     
  15. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Memphus – good ideas! :goodjob:
    I don’t like asking them to pay for something for 10 turns at 20 gold per turn :wow: without us giving anything… just seems fishy, even if our intentions are honorable.

    So I’m proposing just offering the first two. And maybe suggesting some other techs to them also at 40% because Loco already has them…

    Draft version 1:
    Comments? Feedback?
     
  16. Memphus

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    I like it let's let it go!!!

    this way they see that for premium techs are more expensive (currency, which makes sense as technically they could capitalize on them) but for other techs they get an even better discount (also makes sense since if they were to resaearch them there would be greater modifiers ;) )
     
  17. azzaman333

    azzaman333 meh

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    It looks good. :thumbsup:
     
  18. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Ok - thanks for the feedback!

    I'll send it right now...
    :salute:
     
  19. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    I have reason to believe (or just paranoia perhaps) that we'll shortly be seeing Loco swap our knowledge of Currency with Innovia.
    I'd like to potentially forestall that by lowering our offered price to Innovia on Currency.
    I'm hoping to avoid being completely honest on our motivations – but I don't want to lie… especially with the great likelihood we'd get caught! :lol:

    So here's my draft.
    Please offer feedback!

    Thoughts on this?
     
  20. DaveMcW

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    I think Innovia is well aware of Loco's proposal and they will see right through you. :)

    Chalk it up to lessons learned, and start with a better offer next time ;)
     

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