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Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Mangas, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. Shafi-is-back

    Shafi-is-back Prince

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    i know, i know, but didnt the US help the afghans hold them off? What i'm saying is there needs to be somone to counter balance the US or anyone else who is dominant irrespective of what has been entrenched as good in our mind.

    Had a strong USSR been around, the US wouldnt have been so quick to have gone to war, even if they had those countries probably would have received lots of support from the USSR. (much like how we gift units to CS's when they are in trouble ;))
     
  2. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Justice guaranteed

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    Proxy wars like that caused a lot of destruction and misery, not only in Afghanistan but around the world. A "counterbalance" is not necessarily a good thing.
     
  3. Peng Qi

    Peng Qi Emperor

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    China is still the first empire as much as Iran is still Persia.
     
  4. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    Because we all know that history likes working in straight, predictable lines like that.

    It's like the people in the early 20th century that thought that with the string of alliances and number of soldiers every nation possessed, war was "impossible".

    Will China surpass us? Probably but the standard of living will be much better still and the US and the 2060 remark is way off.

    Also, superpowers don't work that way. China won't become a superpower but more like the US is forced down to being a major world power along with China. Power is rated on military strength anymore which is why Brazil and India are doing so well these days.

    And the idea that the US will "fall in line with the prosperity of Mexico because the country will eventually be filled with Mexicans" is kinda...stupid.
     
  5. Your Death

    Your Death Chieftain

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    hehe

    if china gets too powerful, the NATO (france, usa, uk) and russia will join and destroy china. north korea hates china, and they are not in the ''do not explode nukes'' agreement

    usa is in a decline, but will stay a super power. europe has always been the ''continent with major powers'' since greek city states, and still is and will be.

    btw, all china's powerful neighbours hate china, so beat that
     
  6. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    Are you 12 or something? Because world politics don't work that way. Most of North Korea's military is outdated and stationed near the DMZ. China would steamroll across North Korea if they feel like it.

    The USA won't stay a superpower. The fact that the government is too stupid that there are several projects that can be undertaken that the country needs and would provide hundreds of thousands of jobs is a testament to the fact.

    Yet they trade with them. Isn't that interesting. Fun fact. All of Japan's neighbors hates Japan.
     
  7. Tee Kay

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    Not to mention that would start a nuclear war.

    They got along with the RoC well enough.
     
  8. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    See my most recent post. I actually agree, but I was talking about popular perception. It's one of those technically true things where you have two options - either analyze it until it isn't true or accept it in popular imagination. China and Egypt are the latter, Persia is the former. I personally find the continuity inside Persia to be fascinating, but it's entirely off topic.

    Either way, most people don't view Iraq as a continuation of Sumeria. In fact, plenty of people don't view Babylon as a continuation of Sumeria.
     
  9. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    That's because they actually treated the people of Taiwan pretty well.

    For some reason.
     
  10. Bibor

    Bibor Doomsday Machine

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    No matter what you think of the Chinese government, I can assure you its pretty hard to micromanage 1.3 billion people that speak different languages, have various customs, beliefs and lifestyles. Considering we have no clue (or at least most of us) what's really going on in China (and saying "China" is like saying "Europafrica" or "Americas" in terms of population) I'd say they did pretty well. At least they didn't do deliberate damage to the outside world like some other countries *cough* are doing all the time.
     
  11. Gaizokubanou

    Gaizokubanou Warlord

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    Clearly China is on the rise cause they ICSed their territory. They had some problem with this strat because europeans rushed China before cities got enough specialists out, but now it's going too strong to be stopped. Need balance patch ASAP.
     
  12. GIDS888

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    U guys are forgetting China is a closed society politically speaking.

    Who knows what tensions are going on under the surface there? mercantile liberalism has never co-existed with authoritarian political system, one or other has to go and Russia showed us which one in 1990!

    I reckon we'll still be buying burgers and wanting Buicks in 2070.........
     
  13. Peng Qi

    Peng Qi Emperor

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    What does that even mean?
     
  14. HULKsmash

    HULKsmash Chieftain

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    I just find it interesting that a Western developer gives such high praise to China
     
  15. tom2050

    tom2050 Deity

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    The reason the US government is so stupid, is because all the hippies grew up and are trying to press their progressive non-sense on everyone (and democrats seem not to know the difference between a real democrat and a progressive), which seems to be a mix of communism, democratic socialism, and marxism (progressives recently endorsed all these groups), along with their other bad policies. Progressives want to bring the US down purposely; and redistribute wealth from their own country to the rest of the globe. They also want global governance, or global government (the New World Order). A bunch of weirdos, this is what all bureaucrats do all day.
     
  16. Some guy

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    Love all this talk about America's "time to decline". Take Germany for example after WWI... All American needs to adopt is protectionist economy and China gets screwed over. It's all it takes, but the leaders in power prefer we "distribute the wealth" across the world.
     
  17. Sonereal

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    China is probably one of the most pragmatic nations on the planet but it doesn't have force projection capabilities yet.

    Besides, I was joking around. Of all the people Japan treated decently in southeast Asia, it was the Taiwanese.

    And we get screwed over. Economies aren't magic. They're just really hard to understand. If things were as simple as supply and demand and not trading, things would be so much simpliler but sometimes it feels like economics is the equivalent of quantum mechanics.

    It isn't about spreading the wealth. Its more about the insane policies put forth in the 80s which resulted in tons of jobs being outsourced. This lowered the costs of many things but lead to....notable problems to say the least.

    No politician worth his salt is really going to try to make America protectionist. If China's economy tanks, the effects will be felt worldwide and most of them won't be good.
     
  18. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Deity

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    Schafer is a commie.

    That explains why the state property ICS is the most powerful option in Civ5.

    edit: I meant communism not state property. Still thinking in civ4 terms. Planned economy and communism seems to be the best social policies without a doubt. Which is why I don't like this game. In Civ4 I always felt like free market/universal suffrage was the best. And in civ2 democracy was the best (although fundy was the best for war :)). No longer. Democracy can suck it in civ5. :)
     
  19. Sonereal

    Sonereal ♫We got the guillotine♫ Supporter

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    It also explains why State Property was the economic civic in Beyond the Sword.

    Oh wait....
     
  20. TheDanish

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    China is called as the world's oldest continuous civilization because of the strength of lineage one can trace from the pre-imperial Zhou Dynasty in the 10th cen. B.C., all the way to the end of the Qing in 1911. There are still strong cultural elements that persist in China today. That's why it is called the "oldest".

    On the topic of modern power... the grass is almost never greener on the other side (of the Pacific, in this case). China has enormous problems of its own, including "demographics problems" that many in this thread have labeled as the reason for Europe's "decline". Democracy is still a long time coming, and the fight will continue. Corruption akin to what Russia experiences is not unknown. And combine all that with the fact that over half of China's 1.3 billion people are still illiterate peasants with no skills other than farming.

    China has an enormous, willing, strong workforce, yes - almost too large of one. The disproportionately large numbers of young Chinese men seeking work has created an overflow. That overflow throws themselves into jobs that are far below the level of what the U.N. would call "humane", and as long as that lack of respect for workers exists, the middle and lower portions of Chinese society will remain a burden to its overall economic development. Plus, you still have a large number of young, single men wandering between jobs with little else to do - that's a dangerous demographic for a government to handle, if history is any indicator.

    To put it bluntly, China is not a superpower. It is rising, yes, but it has a ways to go before it comes close to anything like Western-style superiority.
     

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