Yep, and he sees founders as his main competitor. Top two breweries in MI and all. On topic, Bells Two Hearted is literally one of the best West Coast IPAs available. I don't know if Bells is international but if you can find it fresh and tolerate hoppy beers grab it. I'm not sure they're as widely distributed as founders. They just stay on top by having 2 hearted on tap at every other bar in the region.