madviking
north american scum
I wanted to do it myself so i dont have to wait
My log:
My log:
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Ansar
Détente avec l'été
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madviking
north american scum
But it was ~20 tiles away...
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
I guess we needed this spoiler soon after all...OCC games go fast. thanks MV. 
Ancient Age
4000 move north to the hill and tobacco bonus. worker E to chop and sees a spice - nice!
Looking at the tech tree I am pretty dumbfounded. There are a lot of things I want to do here, so I made a little list.
- culture, to secure resources nearby sooner.
- contacts, to trade science.
- growth, to raise production and trade.
- science, to advance faster.
- republic, for more trade and production.
- wonders, Colossus, Mausoleum, Hanging Gardens.
At first I wanted the Great Library, but realized it would cut down my chances of getting a SGL. I don't know if this is a good decision though...
3950 Carthage founded, and worker starts choppin'. Researching Pottery.
3750 Curragh starts heading NW.
3450 France's borders spotted.
3400 Pottery researched. oops, I meant to go for The Wheel since no one has it. researching writing.
3350 Meet an Inca scout. That stingy bum won't trade me CB!
2850 Carthage builds Granary.
2750 with a wood chop, a 2nd curragh is built, this time it heads south.
2310 Meet Korean warrior.
2230 Meet Mayan warrior. Trade Alphabet to them for CB,Bronze,and 10gold.
2210 Writing is discovered.
Trade 1: Writing to Maya for Iron Working and Warrior Code.
Trade 2: Warrior Code and CB to Korea for The Wheel.
Trade 3: the Inca are stingy...and they are pretty advanced.
1990 Meet the Mongols.
1725 Colossus! ...and contact the Vikings.
Trade: Writing to Mongols for Horseback Riding.
Trade: Masonry to Vikes for 50 gold.
1575 Trade Writing and 8 gold to Korea for Mathematics.
1525 Carthage builds Temple.
1450 Code of Laws is discovered. Full-blast to Philosophy! Trade it to Inca for Mysticism and 50 gold.
1375 Trade Mathematics and Horseback Riding to Maya for Map Making and 25gold.
1350 Spices connected. Contact Russia.
1225 Philosophy and Republic!
1200 Maya extort Philosophy from me!! I'll get them back...
1025 Mausoleum of Mausollos! revolt to republic...3 turns.
950 Republic begins. Trade Mathematics and Philosophy to Russia for Polytheism and 15 gold. Trade Polytheism,Philosophy, and 30 gold to Korea for Currency.
850 Literature discovered. Every AI thinks it's cool to demand stuff from me. :shakehead
710Trade Currency for Construction and 5 gold and enter the middle ages.
Ancient Age
4000 move north to the hill and tobacco bonus. worker E to chop and sees a spice - nice!
Looking at the tech tree I am pretty dumbfounded. There are a lot of things I want to do here, so I made a little list.
- culture, to secure resources nearby sooner.
- contacts, to trade science.
- growth, to raise production and trade.
- science, to advance faster.
- republic, for more trade and production.
- wonders, Colossus, Mausoleum, Hanging Gardens.
At first I wanted the Great Library, but realized it would cut down my chances of getting a SGL. I don't know if this is a good decision though...
3950 Carthage founded, and worker starts choppin'. Researching Pottery.
3750 Curragh starts heading NW.
3450 France's borders spotted.
3400 Pottery researched. oops, I meant to go for The Wheel since no one has it. researching writing.
3350 Meet an Inca scout. That stingy bum won't trade me CB!
2850 Carthage builds Granary.
2750 with a wood chop, a 2nd curragh is built, this time it heads south.
2310 Meet Korean warrior.
2230 Meet Mayan warrior. Trade Alphabet to them for CB,Bronze,and 10gold.
2210 Writing is discovered.
Trade 1: Writing to Maya for Iron Working and Warrior Code.
Trade 2: Warrior Code and CB to Korea for The Wheel.
Trade 3: the Inca are stingy...and they are pretty advanced.
1990 Meet the Mongols.
1725 Colossus! ...and contact the Vikings.
Trade: Writing to Mongols for Horseback Riding.
Trade: Masonry to Vikes for 50 gold.
1575 Trade Writing and 8 gold to Korea for Mathematics.
1525 Carthage builds Temple.
1450 Code of Laws is discovered. Full-blast to Philosophy! Trade it to Inca for Mysticism and 50 gold.
1375 Trade Mathematics and Horseback Riding to Maya for Map Making and 25gold.
1350 Spices connected. Contact Russia.
1225 Philosophy and Republic!
1200 Maya extort Philosophy from me!! I'll get them back...
1025 Mausoleum of Mausollos! revolt to republic...3 turns.
950 Republic begins. Trade Mathematics and Philosophy to Russia for Polytheism and 15 gold. Trade Polytheism,Philosophy, and 30 gold to Korea for Currency.
850 Literature discovered. Every AI thinks it's cool to demand stuff from me. :shakehead
710Trade Currency for Construction and 5 gold and enter the middle ages.
killercane
Deity
I settled in place hoping for some bonus grass under the woodsy terrain. Set research to the republic slingshot, completed in 1650 with a 4 turn anarchy. We build the Colossal statue one turn before in 1675 (1700 according to the in game date). Set research to literature and got a library built in 1325.
I gifted everything to the AIs throughout the AA but they still sucked. They did provide me with math, Maps, and polytheism right before I self researched myself into the MA via Construction in 875. I was really hoping they would get construction for me but no, I had to spend 10 turns to get it myself. The scientific civs got Feudalism and Engineering.
Initial builds were 3 curraghs and a warrior. I kept the warrior home and didnt pop any huts. The Inca kept demanding things so there was a fake war that started sometime during the later part of the age.
I did get an SGL pretty early on, and with nary an ancient wonder that I really wanted, i saved him for Copernicus.
I gifted everything to the AIs throughout the AA but they still sucked. They did provide me with math, Maps, and polytheism right before I self researched myself into the MA via Construction in 875. I was really hoping they would get construction for me but no, I had to spend 10 turns to get it myself. The scientific civs got Feudalism and Engineering.
Initial builds were 3 curraghs and a warrior. I kept the warrior home and didnt pop any huts. The Inca kept demanding things so there was a fake war that started sometime during the later part of the age.
I did get an SGL pretty early on, and with nary an ancient wonder that I really wanted, i saved him for Copernicus.
Ancient Age:
Production: I started off two warriors and a granary. One warrior went exploring while the other served as MP. Luckily I was able to MM the granary so it finished one turn before growth. I believe I followed the granary with a worker, another warrior (MP) and a curragh or two and than went with the Colossus. Followed with a third curragh in an attempt at a suicide run (notice I said attempt) and eventually the MoM. I believe once I reached size 12 I was at 20 spt.
Edit: I settled in place.
Growth: I went for maximum growth right off the bat as I wanted to get to size 12 as early as possible. Luckily my exploring warrior popped a settler from a goody hut and after a six turn walk was able to merge with Carthage. This brought me from size 6 to 8. One of the many small mistakes I made was merging one of my workers at size 11. I should have kept him as I needed him in the beginning of the MA.
Research: Started off with Pottery and than Bronze Working. Not for sure if BW was worth the turns but definitely wanted the Colossus. After BW I made a beeline for Republic and than traded Philosophy and/or CoL to become the tech leader. Followed up with Currency, a short 1-turn on Construction and finished with Polytheism bringing me into the MA. I was one turn into Construction when CAII stated the Incas knew it so wasted the shields and made the switch. Traded later for it.
Wonders: Not wanting to fight off a 20k race I only built the Colossus and MoM.
Middle Ages:
Production/Growth: At first earning 20 spt was great (typically no wastage) but I realized once I started building wonders I wanted maximum shields I could get. So not wanting to waste the time on researching Engineering I gifted Korea into the MA hoping they would draw Engineering and did they ever! At this point my one native worker and bought slave began bg farming. As in I began chopping forest looking for bgs. All that work and not a single bg. With the two cows being irrigated I was able to get 21 spt but found that rarely if ever was the additional shield worth it. I believe I primarily ran with 20 spt.
Research: My research path went straight for Astronomy with no sidetracks. Unfortunately the AI didnt do very good on the bottom branch of the tree so I ended up researching from Chemistry on. I never researched a single optional tech in this age.
Wonders: Obviously Copernicus and Newtons. These were the only two MA wonders I built.
Industrial Age:
Production/Growth: Once I entered this age I immediately began building workers. I irrigated enough tiles I could pop a worker every 3 turns. At population 20 with railroads and factory I believe I was running around 66 spt. I believe, Im not entirely sure of this. Once the city began approaching max size I chopped all the forest and mined everything. I also noticed my culture was starting to get a little high so I sold the coliseum and cathedral. I made sure my 20k date was never predicted before 2050 AD.
Research: I immediately went towards Medicine and Sanitation. After that I traded for Steam and than Industrialization and Electricity. Somewhere in here I got a SGL which I saved for the UN. Sanitation was the only optional tech I researched and I believe the AIs only researched a couple non-optional techs for me.
Resources: One of the reasons Ive found to ignore Steam Power is I typically never get coal in my radius. The AIs never trade their coal until they are done building RRs unless they have multiple sources (which they didnt). I dont believe I was able to trade for coal until I was well into the IA.
Wonders: Theory of Evolution and Intelligence Agency. The Intelligence Agency was a mistake and I didnt build it until the modern times. I had been using it as a pre-build when I screwed up and forgot about a resource I didnt control. Rather than waste the shields I just went ahead and built it.
Modern Age:
Production: By the time I began building the shuttle parts I was topped out at 117 spt. Im curious what the highest anyone was able to get.
Research: Interestingly the AIs finally caught up to me and many of the MA techs were researched by the AIs (mainly Korea). The even weirder part is I had all the necessary techs needed to build the shuttle parts before I even started on it! Its true. Just check out the resources part below.
Resources: I had about given up on this game since I didnt have aluminum and no one had an extra source they could trade. Well the Incas did but it was near a single city with no way to trade it. By this time Korea and Inca were constantly at war. I was just about to quit the game when the Incas captured a Korean city that caused an aluminum to become uncontrolled! I made a quick trade for the needed resource to build a transport and than ran several slaves there to build a colony. Once that was done I went non-stop building shuttle parts. I was missing a few resources so traded for those and prayed I wouldnt lose my colony. I decided to build all the quick builds first and than build the more expensive ones. Luckily I didnt lose my colony until I was on turn one of the last part. Talk about luck!
Wonders: Seti Program, Apollo Program, and the United Nations. Again I decided to ignore Fission (the UN tech) and hoped I could buy it off someone rather than research it. With about ten turns left on Seti I got the pop-up that Korea was starting the UN. Doing a quick investigation I realized I had plenty of time so I bought their tech off them, finished Seti, and than used that tucked away SGL to build the UN.
-Every chance I got up until the IA I bought every slave that was available. In the end I only had 11 slaves even though only eight were needed to clear pollution.
-Never had my GA, ever. I kept meaning to check that article about what wonder would kick off the GA due to wonders but continued to procrastinate.
-I only got the one SGL and tucked him away until the UN was available. Had I not got him I would have switched the Seti build to the UN and than built Seti afterwards. This would have pushed my date back some but I dont believe it would have changed too much. I could be wrong on this.
-Wasnt paying attention at this point and my multi-lux trade ended and Carthage rioted. Now the bad thing was I had a nuclear power plant at this point and recalled reading that there was a chance of a meltdown during a riot. Talk about on the edge of me seat after I hit that space button. I think Im going to go back and attempt to force a meltdown and see if rioting does affect it.
Edit: The save is from the turn after victory.
Production: I started off two warriors and a granary. One warrior went exploring while the other served as MP. Luckily I was able to MM the granary so it finished one turn before growth. I believe I followed the granary with a worker, another warrior (MP) and a curragh or two and than went with the Colossus. Followed with a third curragh in an attempt at a suicide run (notice I said attempt) and eventually the MoM. I believe once I reached size 12 I was at 20 spt.
Edit: I settled in place.
Growth: I went for maximum growth right off the bat as I wanted to get to size 12 as early as possible. Luckily my exploring warrior popped a settler from a goody hut and after a six turn walk was able to merge with Carthage. This brought me from size 6 to 8. One of the many small mistakes I made was merging one of my workers at size 11. I should have kept him as I needed him in the beginning of the MA.
Research: Started off with Pottery and than Bronze Working. Not for sure if BW was worth the turns but definitely wanted the Colossus. After BW I made a beeline for Republic and than traded Philosophy and/or CoL to become the tech leader. Followed up with Currency, a short 1-turn on Construction and finished with Polytheism bringing me into the MA. I was one turn into Construction when CAII stated the Incas knew it so wasted the shields and made the switch. Traded later for it.
Wonders: Not wanting to fight off a 20k race I only built the Colossus and MoM.
Middle Ages:
Production/Growth: At first earning 20 spt was great (typically no wastage) but I realized once I started building wonders I wanted maximum shields I could get. So not wanting to waste the time on researching Engineering I gifted Korea into the MA hoping they would draw Engineering and did they ever! At this point my one native worker and bought slave began bg farming. As in I began chopping forest looking for bgs. All that work and not a single bg. With the two cows being irrigated I was able to get 21 spt but found that rarely if ever was the additional shield worth it. I believe I primarily ran with 20 spt.
Research: My research path went straight for Astronomy with no sidetracks. Unfortunately the AI didnt do very good on the bottom branch of the tree so I ended up researching from Chemistry on. I never researched a single optional tech in this age.
Wonders: Obviously Copernicus and Newtons. These were the only two MA wonders I built.
Industrial Age:
Production/Growth: Once I entered this age I immediately began building workers. I irrigated enough tiles I could pop a worker every 3 turns. At population 20 with railroads and factory I believe I was running around 66 spt. I believe, Im not entirely sure of this. Once the city began approaching max size I chopped all the forest and mined everything. I also noticed my culture was starting to get a little high so I sold the coliseum and cathedral. I made sure my 20k date was never predicted before 2050 AD.
Research: I immediately went towards Medicine and Sanitation. After that I traded for Steam and than Industrialization and Electricity. Somewhere in here I got a SGL which I saved for the UN. Sanitation was the only optional tech I researched and I believe the AIs only researched a couple non-optional techs for me.
Resources: One of the reasons Ive found to ignore Steam Power is I typically never get coal in my radius. The AIs never trade their coal until they are done building RRs unless they have multiple sources (which they didnt). I dont believe I was able to trade for coal until I was well into the IA.
Wonders: Theory of Evolution and Intelligence Agency. The Intelligence Agency was a mistake and I didnt build it until the modern times. I had been using it as a pre-build when I screwed up and forgot about a resource I didnt control. Rather than waste the shields I just went ahead and built it.
Modern Age:
Production: By the time I began building the shuttle parts I was topped out at 117 spt. Im curious what the highest anyone was able to get.
Research: Interestingly the AIs finally caught up to me and many of the MA techs were researched by the AIs (mainly Korea). The even weirder part is I had all the necessary techs needed to build the shuttle parts before I even started on it! Its true. Just check out the resources part below.
Resources: I had about given up on this game since I didnt have aluminum and no one had an extra source they could trade. Well the Incas did but it was near a single city with no way to trade it. By this time Korea and Inca were constantly at war. I was just about to quit the game when the Incas captured a Korean city that caused an aluminum to become uncontrolled! I made a quick trade for the needed resource to build a transport and than ran several slaves there to build a colony. Once that was done I went non-stop building shuttle parts. I was missing a few resources so traded for those and prayed I wouldnt lose my colony. I decided to build all the quick builds first and than build the more expensive ones. Luckily I didnt lose my colony until I was on turn one of the last part. Talk about luck!
Wonders: Seti Program, Apollo Program, and the United Nations. Again I decided to ignore Fission (the UN tech) and hoped I could buy it off someone rather than research it. With about ten turns left on Seti I got the pop-up that Korea was starting the UN. Doing a quick investigation I realized I had plenty of time so I bought their tech off them, finished Seti, and than used that tucked away SGL to build the UN.
-Every chance I got up until the IA I bought every slave that was available. In the end I only had 11 slaves even though only eight were needed to clear pollution.
-Never had my GA, ever. I kept meaning to check that article about what wonder would kick off the GA due to wonders but continued to procrastinate.
-I only got the one SGL and tucked him away until the UN was available. Had I not got him I would have switched the Seti build to the UN and than built Seti afterwards. This would have pushed my date back some but I dont believe it would have changed too much. I could be wrong on this.
-Wasnt paying attention at this point and my multi-lux trade ended and Carthage rioted. Now the bad thing was I had a nuclear power plant at this point and recalled reading that there was a chance of a meltdown during a riot. Talk about on the edge of me seat after I hit that space button. I think Im going to go back and attempt to force a meltdown and see if rioting does affect it.
Edit: The save is from the turn after victory.
killercane
Deity
Well my quest for a sub 1900 launch date was not made. I launched in 1934. I figure saving the 10 turns researching construction, 15 turns doing synthetic fibers (which I could have gotten from the AI later), 2 turns of rioting and 2 turns of pollution problems with not enough workers to clean it up, and 6 turns of robotics where I could have traded for it but didnt have the appropriate prebuild ready (started SS parts too late) would have brought me very close to 1900.
I reached the Industrial Age in 870. The AIs never got close to domination; the Inca, French (my MPP pal), and Mongols were all dominant. I traded for aluminum from France, and rubber and uranium from the Mongols. I was a bit concerned at the beginning of the Modern Age at the lack of resources in the hands of any one power, but AI wars helped that out.
I built: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/builds.jpg http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/builds002.jpg http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/builds003.jpg.
I had originally wanted to wait until modern times to build TOE, but the Inca started it while I was still 8 turns away from motorized transport, so I ended up taking atomic theory and electronics as usual. I kicked off my golden age attacking some errant berzerks to get myself modern more quickly. This led to a somewhat concerning situation: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/pressure_from_the_vikes.jpg
Notice the Viking ships and the not exactly rock solid defense. Those two rifles HAD been numidians the turn before. The vikes only brought a couple knights and one berzerk however, who were all disposed of quickly.
Culture: I finished with 19123. I sold off the temple, colosseum, and cathedral to hold back on the culture accumulation in early industrial.
How do you upload multiple pictures again? [img/, /img] didnt work I guess theres more to it?
I reached the Industrial Age in 870. The AIs never got close to domination; the Inca, French (my MPP pal), and Mongols were all dominant. I traded for aluminum from France, and rubber and uranium from the Mongols. I was a bit concerned at the beginning of the Modern Age at the lack of resources in the hands of any one power, but AI wars helped that out.
I built: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/builds.jpg http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/builds002.jpg http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/builds003.jpg.
I had originally wanted to wait until modern times to build TOE, but the Inca started it while I was still 8 turns away from motorized transport, so I ended up taking atomic theory and electronics as usual. I kicked off my golden age attacking some errant berzerks to get myself modern more quickly. This led to a somewhat concerning situation: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/pressure_from_the_vikes.jpg
Notice the Viking ships and the not exactly rock solid defense. Those two rifles HAD been numidians the turn before. The vikes only brought a couple knights and one berzerk however, who were all disposed of quickly.
Culture: I finished with 19123. I sold off the temple, colosseum, and cathedral to hold back on the culture accumulation in early industrial.
How do you upload multiple pictures again? [img/, /img] didnt work I guess theres more to it?
Pentium
Digital Matter
The simplest way to learn is to quote someone's post with pictures.
Oh boy, what a mess I made of this! I'm glad that I didn't play on Emperor.
And everything started so well!
Key dates:
entered MA in 690BC
entered IA in 880AD
entered MT in 1750AD
launched SS in 1957AD
My problem was a miscalculation with culture. In the end I revolted constantly from 1888 to 1926 to stop my culture from reaching 20K and allow the AI to research the last techs for me. If I had tried to research them , I would have reached 20K first.
I was *so* stupid. I didn't need the cath, temple or colosseum. And as for Sistine...
. Luxes @ 4gp/turn were all that was required, plus war-fever from the frequent declarations from aggressive neighbours. I was actually at war with the Incans from 1675BC to 1250AD but I never fought one of their units! I let the French do that 
My GA came with Hoover.
I later managed to get one Modern Tech with the ToE. I couldn't delay it any longer once Russia got Sci Method. This was a shame as I deliberately avoided gifting them into the IA but one tech from the next age is better than none.
Lack of resources was a concern until the wars started to put more resources in the hands of Korea and Russia.
A coastal city is great for commerce and it pulled in plenty of beakers during my GA and again when I had a commercial dock and all scientific improvements/wonders
my final score:
Notice how much I had to rely upon the fact that culture doesn't accumulate in individual cities during anarchy.
Thanks again for the game, MP.
And everything started so well!
Key dates:
entered MA in 690BC
entered IA in 880AD
entered MT in 1750AD
launched SS in 1957AD
My problem was a miscalculation with culture. In the end I revolted constantly from 1888 to 1926 to stop my culture from reaching 20K and allow the AI to research the last techs for me. If I had tried to research them , I would have reached 20K first.
I was *so* stupid. I didn't need the cath, temple or colosseum. And as for Sistine...
. Luxes @ 4gp/turn were all that was required, plus war-fever from the frequent declarations from aggressive neighbours. I was actually at war with the Incans from 1675BC to 1250AD but I never fought one of their units! I let the French do that My GA came with Hoover.
I later managed to get one Modern Tech with the ToE. I couldn't delay it any longer once Russia got Sci Method. This was a shame as I deliberately avoided gifting them into the IA but one tech from the next age is better than none.
Lack of resources was a concern until the wars started to put more resources in the hands of Korea and Russia.
A coastal city is great for commerce and it pulled in plenty of beakers during my GA and again when I had a commercial dock and all scientific improvements/wonders
my final score:
Notice how much I had to rely upon the fact that culture doesn't accumulate in individual cities during anarchy.
Thanks again for the game, MP.
I haven't enough cash yet but my research will beat the 20K date by one turn now!
CoolioVonHoolio
Quit WoW, back to Civ.
wow. a turn log of all 447(?) turns. thats crazy.
Look at this thread. The upload file easy link looks a little different nowdays but it should still be straightforward enough to follow.killercane said:
Well no, but there is quite a bit of detail so that if I try something like this again I've got key dates to aim for, particularly with research times. I thought about editing it a little but I'm too tired right now so I've simply hidden it!CoolioVonHoolio said:
Great job Tone even with the culture problem! I could have had a much, much earlier date if I only had the resources to even start. Like I said, I had all the necessary techs before I even built the first piece.
Edit: Just curious why you didn't start selling temples, cathedrals, and any other unneeded cultural buildings earlier?
Edit2: Whoops, just noticed in your turnlog that you did sell them.
Edit: Just curious why you didn't start selling temples, cathedrals, and any other unneeded cultural buildings earlier?
Edit2: Whoops, just noticed in your turnlog that you did sell them.
I guess it was a learning experience for both of us then. Did you consider gifting selected AI Rockets and Fission? Looking back, creating a tech imbalanced helped me get what I needed as the more advanced civs started to dominate the map and this is ultimately how I was able to trade for aluminium, uranium and rubber.Methos said:Great job Tone even with the culture problem! I could have had a much, much earlier date if I only had the resources to even start. Like I said, I had all the necessary techs before I even built the first piece.
But nowhere near early enough. It did dawn on me a little earlier but I remember thinking that the number of turns left was equal to the number of years, rather than years left/2 when playing up to 1950. With my flawed calculations a 1920s culture victory was no problem but the difference between 50 turns to get a launch and 25 is quite dramatic. I really thought that I'd lost the game at one point once I'd realised my mistake.Methos said:
Tone said:
To be honest I can't remember now what I did. I do remember selling some of the techs and even gifting them Nuclear Power. Can't remember why though.
Need to get back to IF3, hopefully.
I finished my game last night, but have been too busy with two SGs tonight to prepare a write-up. Hopefully I'll have time to prepare and post it tomorrow, otherwise you'll have to wait until Thursday to read my story. In either case, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
I have attached a minimap from 1495 AD, at the onset of the first known war.
I have attached a minimap from 1495 AD, at the onset of the first known war.
killercane
Deity
I would have hit 20K in 1953 due to building Shakes (cost me 5 turns to research) rather than a hospital (sanitation in 9 turns at the time). Selling the additional religious improvements really saved me from culture, though I had to rebuild them when the need to incite wars hurt the lux trading situation.
I gifted the AIs everything I could, even in Modern, and that led to a possibility that I could lose when they got robotics 6 turns before me. The free techs were steam/fission (russia) and nationalism/ecology for korea. Russia took forever to hook up their second coal source.
I gifted the AIs everything I could, even in Modern, and that led to a possibility that I could lose when they got robotics 6 turns before me. The free techs were steam/fission (russia) and nationalism/ecology for korea. Russia took forever to hook up their second coal source.
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