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International Student I.D.: An option for adults under age 21

Will you get one?

  • Yes, American, under age 21

    Votes: 2 5.7%

  • No, American, under age 21

    Votes: 10 28.6%

  • Yes, non-American, under country's legal drinking age

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • No, non-American, under country's legal drinking age

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Yes, over country's legal drinking age

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, over country's legal drinking age

    Votes: 19 54.3%
  • Total voters
    35
Legal drinking at 16 FTW!
 
Bestbank Tiger said:
Depends on the jurisdiction. If state and local laws put all blame on the holder of a fake ID it isn't a problem. But some places will go after the bartender or the bar even if the ID is realistic...those places would be extremely strict.
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Exactly. Some states/cities do NOT screw around with underage drinking/entry in clubs, and really drop the hammer down on bartenders.

In Ohio (I'm not sure if its a state rule or a city one), the penalties for serving underage for a barowner are huge. It was difficult for me to get gigs for a while, because my bandmates were 18-20, and thus we'd bring in scores of people around that age. Having 80 20 year old girls in a bar presents a significant risk for the bar (because if they get caught serving...they might lose their license). I'd have to sign pretty awful contracts to get work (huge gate promises, high gate prices, etc)

In a city with a fairly liberal attitude on crime, and a lot of international students (like the bay area), this could work. It would never work here, since the risks of accepting that kind of ID outweigh what they'll make on drinks and gates.
 
Hygro said:
It allows you to buy alcohol and enter dance clubs. What deeper meaning are you hoping to see?
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Well, you see, with a reply like this:

Sims2789 said:
What are you talking about? Nothing's wrong with alcohol use, especially for legal adults like myself.
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...it would almost seem as though this would have a legitimate use. Instead, the only reason for it is to break a law. I suppose if poisoning yourself is that important... :rolleyes: Ah well, natural selection.
 
North King said:
Well, you see, with a reply like this:



...it would almost seem as though this would have a legitimate use. Instead, the only reason for it is to break a law. I suppose if poisoning yourself is that important... :rolleyes: Ah well, natural selection.
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Lol alcohol has been part of humanity since the dawn of civilization. Its not a great idea to drink all that much, and honestly I'd be happy if it didn't exist... but its not all that bad either.
 
Sims2789 said:
This ID worked for my dad in the 1980's. I was excited and called my best friend and he already knew about it. At his university, all of the foreign students have these cards and they all say they're 21, and they're allowed into clubs, can buy alcohol at stores, etc.
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So basically, you don't want to wait three years before you can become a total douche?
 
Winner said:
Yes.

I will never understand how can a civilized country function without real citizen ID's. It must be a chaos.

Anyway, I have ISIC already, every student at our uni gets it.

(another thing I'll never understand is how can a civilized country allow people to vote, but not drink alcohol :lol: )
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We have state I.D.'s, and most states' are hard to counterfeit.

Bill3000 said:
Yup, go ahead and have the worst traffic on earth.
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Actually, according to a federally-funded study, raising the age from 18 to 21 "...has no perceptible influence on fatalities..." (Asch & Levy). Although it may slightly reduce the amount of fatalities in the 21 and under age group, it increases fatalities in the 21 to 24 age group.

Fatalities have decreased since 1984 in both age groups but may have decreased more in the 21-24 age group had the higher drinking age not passed.

Also, from 1984 to 1998, drunk driving fatalities by under-21's dropped 61% but dropped 58% among 21-24's. 3% is negligible, and could easily be resultant from erroneous data gathering, for example by including all deaths where someone in a car was intoxicated "alcohol-related deaths" even when alcohol played no part in the accident or death.

Of course, this is only for lowering the drinking age to 18. I don't know what would happen if you lowered it to 15 in a society where 15-year-olds can drive.
 
Hygro said:
Lol alcohol has been part of humanity since the dawn of civilization. Its not a great idea to drink all that much, and honestly I'd be happy if it didn't exist... but its not all that bad either.
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Oh, it's not awful, but it's not so very amazing that it's worth breaking the law. Well, apparently some disagree.
 
I still don't understand this - how exactly can you obtain one if you are younger than 21? I understand the point, to pretend you are 21 so you can buy alcohol and enter clubs, but how do you obtain one that displays a higher age than your real one?

:hmm: :confused:
 
I still don't understand this - how exactly can you obtain one if you are younger than 21? I understand the point, to pretend you are 21 so you can buy alcohol and enter clubs, but how do you obtain one that displays a higher age than your real one?
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Give them fake info duh...
 
VRWCAgent said:
So you're basically saying the card is worthless and no reputable government or organization in its right mind should honor it? Gotcha.
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I contend that Sims' motives may be in fact quite xenophobic, if not outright racist. He's abusing a system for international (which includes peoples from Hispanic, African, Arab, and Asian countries) students to get IDs so that they don't have an issue of trying to gain a U.S. ID for a country of which they are not a permanent resident of, thus reducing the esteem and value of our foreign visitors.
 
Well, I still place the blame on the card issuers. They must be responsible for properly confirming the information for the prospective card holder. If they get a reputation for not doing that, that is the fault of the issuer.

Just like...oh, I cannot remember the State now...that is offering to issue DLs for illegal aliens. That is invalidating the legitimacy of those State licenses across the nation.
 
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