Invading Mexico to End the Cartels

Are there circumstances under which you would approve of invading Mexico to end the drug cartles?

  • No, never

    Votes: 24 61.5%
  • Only with permission and help from Mexico

    Votes: 13 33.3%
  • We don't need permission because we are the target of their drug trade

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Get allies to join us

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
    39
I am really not expert (only as mild drug user). But prohibiton was not criminalisation of users? Prohibition actually led to drop of alcohol usage and incredible decline of deaths from alcoholism, cirrhosis, psychiatric problems etc? The people hated it, state had not income from alcoholics.
 
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Therefore?
It's not like it's something new. We had the Opium Wars. One nation state predated on a people causing great suffering. The scars yet linger. We just did it to ourselves to a lesser extent with the prescription pad. So much loss. Except for those on the take.
 
When compared to what is being suggested, it doesn't seem like a failed policy. We should, however, do what Amazonqueen suggested regarding users and rehab/long sentences.
 
Look guys, we're going to have to invade somewhere, these bombs are burning a hole in my pocket and the Pentagon says it doesn't "need any more ez-order McDonald's chinook delivery // occupied foreign country division QuikMode Amazon Delivery buttons," and my fentanyl and bath salts supplies are running dangerously low.
 
Look guys, we're going to have to invade somewhere, these bombs are burning a hole in my pocket and the Pentagon says it doesn't "need any more ez-order McDonald's chinook delivery // occupied foreign country division QuikMode Amazon Delivery buttons," and my fentanyl and bath salts supplies are running dangerously low.
If the US needs something to bomb, they can always Nuke the Whales.
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It's kind of hard for the president of Mexico to get rid of the cartels. Past stand offs vs cartels such as el chapo where the president family was threatened by cartels have kept the government from interfering with the cartels. Cartels are kind of feared.
 
I don't think keeping the stigma and the criminalization is going to help those homeless men.
We would do that entirely without the drug laws. Ineffective.
 
How can you criminalize people who haven't broken laws?
 
I think it is probably impossible to be in compliance with every law that pertains to you in this country at any given time. If enforcement gets even slightly creative, just charge "the money" with something and impoverish somebody without breaking a law at all. After that, they'll surely be outside of obeying some statute.
 
That's true, but when people call for say "decriminalizing marijuana," they are talking specifically about making it harder to use the marijuana laws to lock people up forever. They're looking to make actionable, measurable change to the legal system... power of the cops and warped priorities of the judges and DAs notwithstanding.
 
The costs of use of drugs must be taken drug by drug. Marijuana is not opium is not heroin is not ...
 
We're talking about legalizing, regulating, and taxing opiates for recreational use. Then the government gets a take. I mean, sure - it's not exactly the same as the East India Tea Company, but close enough.

Legalizing increases use. Unleashing big-data 'Murican business on 'Muricans, with profit margins and quarterly profits... man, this isn't even just apples to apples, it's Honeycrisp to Honeycrisp-I-got-last-year.
Again it's apples to oranges.

The opiate thing was/is a bunch of legitimized (MD) pushers (and their corporate backers) taking advantage of traumatized individuals for massive profits.

Restricting the freedom of individuals to alter their own minds/moods is not a solution. If pot were fully legal/destigmitized it wouldn't create more legal opiate users it would cut into the opiate user base.

If any individual anywhere can speak honesty to their doctor about their drug use & get proper information drug abuse will decline as has been shown elsewhere (Portugal for instance).

Your argument is flawed. May as well argue sex should be banned because some people are pressured into prostitution.

OK. The American prison system is perhaps not the best for rehabilitation, and marijuana and some similar drugs should perhaps be legal.
On the other hand, many addicts will end up in jail for something more serious when they continue their addiction. Maybe I am wrong, but I think that a lot of people became addicted through their friends, not directly through dealers.
I am afraid that this would make problem bigger than what what is it now. Here in CZ experts actually searching ways how to make alcohol and tobacco less accessible.
Addiction is less a probably of evil drugs and more a problem of despair.

Clearly prohibition is a giant failure. Will some addicts still exist & have problems? Yes. Will they get sent to jail, have to live in the shadows & be socially stigmatized? No (well the social stigma won't die overnight but reducing "criminal" for the list of shunny words you can throw at a drug user will help).
 
Pot being legalized increases pot use. Heroin legalization increases heroin use. Prohibition reduced alcohol consumption. That's a thing that happens.

I'm all with you on letting people make thier own bad decisions. Helmet laws are stupid. Seat belt laws are stupid. Vice taxes are nothing more than regressive taxation by jerks. Some drugs cause societal level sickness. The prescription pad pushers created a legalized drug crisis in this country. And these were the people best situated to know exactly what harm they were causing. Some drugs are not worth legalizing. Keep the other vices legal, even though they're far from perfect. Allow the stoners, allow the drunks. Fund treatments, and don't lock up users for huge periods of time. But yeah, if you're selling heroin or cooking meth in the basement under your kid's room, just go get in your cage.
 
Sounds like a capitalism and profit motive in healthcare problem to me. Some similar perverse incentives to private prisons to generate profit, manage regulatory oversight and pass on the cost of the damage.

Bad systems turn even good people into bad actors. I wouldn't say it is the morals and virtues of the doctors that are the dependent and significant factor here.
 
And legalization clearly doesn't fix the motives. Unfortunately.
 
One should keep one's eyes on the goal.

There are multiple choices but each one has its own path.
  • Ending the power of cartels
  • Reducing gang violence and crimes
  • Solving addiction issues
  • Helping addicts reintegrate into society
  • Reducing demand for drugs
  • Raising tax money
  • Ending drug crimes
  • Allowing more personal freedom
 
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