Iran, the Red Sea, and the West (tm).

[Moff Jerjerrod]

Last time I checked the encyclopedia genocide is a determined effort to wipe out a race. If one is determined to wipe out a race then why take great care to try to avoid civilian casualties while neutralizing terrorists?

Brutally raping and mutilating dead women's bodies and celebrating in the streets is demonic but no that's not genocide, right?

Brother you need to calm down with this anti-USA gibberish and seek Jesus [for real]. Time is running out...

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Israel has actively killed civilians

 

[Core Imposter]

That's a premature conclusion. The Ukranian airforce was never particularly strong, and the Russian has underperformed badly.

Weak or bad airforces, lagging technologically (the both do), can be presumed to have become less relevant.

Well, at least it appears to be an unstoppable trend. I read an article which I can't seem to find now that listed all the costs of the various pieces from aircraft carriers to planes to patriot missile to a wide range of lesser missiles and drones. Unless someone can come up with a foolproof defense against the cheap munition anything expensive will become obsolete on the battlefield. Which is why the Marines are ditching their tanks and howitzers already.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Last time I checked the encyclopedia genocide is a determined effort to wipe out a race. If one is determined to wipe out a race then why take great care to try to avoid civilian casualties while neutralizing terrorists?

Even if that were true (that Israel is taking great care to avoid civilian casualties) that doesn't discount the allegations of genocide. Israel is destroying public infrastructure both in Gaza and the West Bank, and otherwise making life unlivable for Palestinians in both areas, in the hope of forcing them to leave in order to seize their land. This has been their modus operandi for years.

Brutally raping and mutilating dead women's bodies and celebrating in the streets is demonic but no that's not genocide, right?

That is bad. Still not genocide. Still not casus belli for genocide.

Brother you need to calm down with this anti-USA gibberish and seek Jesus [for real]. Time is running out...

If Jesus were here right now, he'd be anti-US too. If he had survived the Israeli airstrikes on Bethlehem just a week ago, that is...

 

[Lexicus]

we have already seen that missiles and drones have made tanks and planes obsolete in Ukraine.

Nah

 

[Gorbles]

then why take great care to try to avoid civilian casualties while neutralizing terrorists?

They're . . . not?

 

[Moff Jerjerrod]

Even if that were true (that Israel is taking great care to avoid civilian casualties) that doesn't discount the allegations of genocide. Israel is destroying public infrastructure both in Gaza and the West Bank, and otherwise making life unlivable for Palestinians in both areas, in the hope of forcing them to leave in order to seize their land. This has been their modus operandi for years.

I agree that their actions do not discount the allegations. But the allegations are indeed a powerful tool being used against them.
As for that modus operandi I agree with you there as well. Something is just not right about this whole war and how it started.

If Jesus were here right now, he'd be anti-US too. If he had survived the Israeli airstrikes on Bethlehem just a week ago, that is...

I agree with you here too but only up to a point. Jesus would have survived the airstrikes. He's God.

They're . . . not?

Depends on who you listen to I guess.

 

[Lexicus]

Israel is taking less care than Russia to avoid civilian casualties and that is saying something.

 

[Moff Jerjerrod]

Interesting but I'm seeing it the other way around. Russia firing 65 hypersonic missiles at Kiev the other day indiscriminately killing civilians?

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I agree with you here too but only up to a point. Jesus would have survived the airstrikes. He's God.

I think he'd still be a shade miffed about the airstrikes

 

[Lexicus]

Interesting but I'm seeing it the other way around. Russia firing 65 hypersonic missiles at Kiev the other day indiscriminately killing civilians?

Try looking at some statistics, they are widely available on the internet. Even taking Israel's own assessment that about one-third of the dead in Gaza have been combatants (which I think is probably close to right, but I find it likely that the proportion of combatants is a bit lower than one third), the proportion of civilian deaths in the war in Gaza is uncommonly high. When we consider that the actual war aim is not to eliminate Hamas but to turn Gaza into a place where "no human being can exist" (to quote an Israeli major general shortly after 10/7), the picture becomes pretty clear.

 

[Moriarte]

Brother you need to calm down with this anti-USA gibberish and seek Jesus [for real]. Time is running out...

This advice should come complete with an assault rifle, to shield themselves and Jesus from anti-USA gibberish.

 

[Gorbles]

Depends on who you listen to I guess.

It's not a matter of who you're listening to, there's plenty of corroborated evidence for the civilian deaths in Gaza to date.

 

[Moff Jerjerrod]

Try looking at some statistics, they are widely available on the internet. Even taking Israel's own assessment that about one-third of the dead in Gaza have been combatants (which I think is probably close to right, but I find it likely that the proportion of combatants is a bit lower than one third), the proportion of civilian deaths in the war in Gaza is uncommonly high. When we consider that the actual war aim is not to eliminate Hamas but to turn Gaza into a place where "no human being can exist" (to quote an Israeli major general shortly after 10/7), the picture becomes pretty clear.

It's not a matter of who you're listening to, there's plenty of corroborated evidence for the civilian deaths in Gaza to date.

Do you guys have any good sources you can recommend? I admit I've not paid any attention to CNN, Reuters, etc. and am only going on the rumors I've been hearing.

 

[Moriarte]

It is worth noting again that Netanyahu is personally interested in prolonging the hot phase of the conflict. When the fighting stops, he is coming under spotlight of general public and various agencies, which seek the truth behind failure (or conspiracy) within counterintelligence branch. So, he will use all means to make hot phase continue, at least in the coming months. Despite rising tide of voices within Americas and elsewhere demanding cessation of hostilities.

On the other hand, president of the USA is the person who is the least one interested right now in prolonging the conflict well into the year. Every coming day of war in the Middle East gifts political points to his opponents and costs Biden votes. Very soon the point can come, where situation becomes critical for Mr President and he'll be forced to act decisively in order to save his re-election campaign.

Which one is going to turn out stronger - Biden's desire for power or Bibi's desire to survive?

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Biden's desire for power

Biden is a senile old puppet acting as a face for the deep state. If anything, the tension would be between the Democratic Party's desire for 'power' (or more clearly, desire to have their turn on the performative seesaw of US politics) and Netanyahu's desire to survive (who is in complete psychotic 'If I'm going down, you're going down with me' mode)

 

[Moriarte]

Perhaps some sort of face-saving (or appearing to be face-saving) scenario, where Netanyahu achieves major personal victory - stops the war while acting in a merciful, compassionate manner, retires with dignity and thus gives way for Biden and the democrats to claim they stopped another war. This kind of thing looks like it would satisfy the USA side. But I am not sure this sort of outcome is good enough for Netanyahu.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Perhaps some sort of face-saving (or appearing to be face-saving) scenario, where Netanyahu achieves major personal victory - stops the war while acting in a merciful, compassionate manner, retires with dignity and thus gives way for Biden and the democrats to claim they stopped another war. This kind of thing looks like it would satisfy the USA side. But I am not sure this sort of outcome is good enough for Netanyahu.

Netanyahu is facing legal charges. He's trying to stay in power for as long as he can to prevent the law from getting him

 

[r16]

there is no American deep state , it is some ugly Turkish term . It is Bidon that prolongs it , matching Bibi , because what they will face will be allegations that they didn't fight Russia enough even if they were fighting it (but the specifics you will not find in the Western mediafgor the foreseeable future) . That they sold it out for profit , Hunter and all . When this comes it will be in a shape even CFC will not be able to ignore . Those who don't believe in conspiracies can move on right now , too . Compared to the Saudis , USN still has some tricks and all those missile sites would have gone in smoke , if that had not been lining up Allies for something and Allies naturally revert to obedient things that will follow America . And just like it would be treason for Americans in serious places to talk out against the 5% of stuff devastating some once superpower , this oft quoted and very famous rounding error back in 2022 , nobody can do a thing about it . Think about what the media would have said , if they weren't humbled and whatnot by the thing that happens in Gazze .



and considering there is still nothing about it in off-topic , this indeed came up in the echo chamber ı follow for the news in 10 minutes after my post here .

 

[Kyriakos]

Israel is taking less care than Russia to avoid civilian casualties and that is saying something.

Not only taking less care doing it, taking no care talking about genocide without giving a crap.

As always, sleepwalking into a massive war, with the usual slogans mumbled in sleep. Τhe representative of the White House saying that SA's genocide case against Israel is "meritless". He's like someone out of a sitcom.

Also out of a terrible Snes game.

Still, the US itself would never be as callous as Israel about committing genocide; at least they'd try to have deniable accountability or other, while Israel is literally spelling out what it is doing. The US public is not pro-genocide.