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[Iraq] Embedded report SURGE ! [Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq]

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Article dosnt cover all that much mainly the state and moral of many of the troops. I was especially suprised to here journialist being attacked for not reporting on the condition of the troops and other frank admissions from soliders who were meant to be talking about the surge. Iam glade the journalist took that soliders angry critism to heart and wrote this.

Edit: surge aside the Army i think is in trouble, especially when powell has come out and said the army is near broken.

Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq

Exhaustion and combat stress are besieging US troops in Iraq as they battle with a new type of warfare. Some even rely on Red Bull to get through the day. As desertions and absences increase, the military is struggling to cope with the crisis

Peter Beaumont in Baghdad
Sunday August 12, 2007
The Observer


Lieutenant Clay Hanna looks sick and white. Like his colleagues he does not seem to sleep. Hanna says he catches up by napping on a cot between operations in the command centre, amid the noise of radio. He is up at 6am and tries to go to sleep by 2am or 3am. But there are operations to go on, planning to be done and after-action reports that need to be written. And war interposes its own deadly agenda that requires his attention and wakes him up.

When he emerges from his naps there is something old and paper-thin about his skin, something sketchy about his movements as the days go by.

The Americans he commands, like the other men at Sullivan - a combat outpost in Zafraniya, south east Baghdad - hit their cots when they get in from operations. But even when they wake up there is something tired and groggy about them. They are on duty for five days at a time and off for two days. When they get back to the forward operating base, they do their laundry and sleep and count the days until they will get home. It is an exhaustion that accumulates over the patrols and the rotations, over the multiple deployments, until it all joins up, wiping out any memory of leave or time at home. Until life is nothing but Iraq.

Hanna and his men are not alone in being tired most of the time. A whole army is exhausted and worn out. You see the young soldiers washed up like driftwood at Baghdad's international airport, waiting to go on leave or returning to their units, sleeping on their body armour on floors and in the dust.

Where once the war in Iraq was defined in conversations with these men by untenable ideas - bringing democracy or defeating al-Qaeda - these days the war in Iraq is defined by different ways of expressing the idea of being weary. It is a theme that is endlessly reiterated as you travel around Iraq. 'The army is worn out. We are just keeping people in theatre who are exhausted,' says a soldier working for the US army public affairs office who is supposed to be telling me how well things have been going since the 'surge' in Baghdad began.

They are not supposed to talk like this. We are driving and another of the public affairs team adds bitterly: 'We should just be allowed to tell the media what is happening here. Let them know that people are worn out. So that their families know back home. But it's like we've become no more than numbers now.'

The first soldier starts in again. 'My husband was injured here. He hit an improvised explosive device. He already had a spinal injury. The blast shook out the plates. He's home now and has serious issues adapting. But I'm not allowed to go back home to see him. If I wanted to see him I'd have to take leave time (two weeks). And the army counts it.'

A week later, in the northern city of Mosul, an officer talks privately. 'We're plodding through this,' he says after another patrol and another ambush in the city centre. 'I don't know how much more plodding we've got left in us.'

When the soldiers talk like this there is resignation. There is a corrosive anger, too, that bubbles out, like the words pouring unbidden from a chaplain's assistant who has come to bless a patrol. 'Why don't you tell the truth? Why don't you journalists write that this army is exhausted?'

It is a weariness that has created its own culture of superstition. There are vehicle commanders who will not let the infantrymen in the back fall asleep on long operations - not because they want the men alert, but because, they say, bad things happen when people fall asleep. So the soldiers drink multiple cans of Rip It and Red Bull to stay alert and wired.

But the exhaustion of the US army emerges most powerfully in the details of these soldiers' frayed and worn-out lives. Everywhere you go you hear the same complaints: soldiers talk about divorces, or problems with the girlfriends that they don't see, or about the children who have been born and who are growing up largely without them.

'I counted it the other day,' says a major whose partner is also a soldier. 'We have been married for five years. We added up the days. Because of Iraq and Afghanistan we have been together for just seven months. Seven months ... We are in a bad place. I don't know whether this marriage can survive it.'

The anecdotal evidence on the ground confirms what others - prominent among them General Colin Powell, the former US Secretary of State - have been insisting for months now: that the US army is 'about broken'. Only a third of the regular army's brigades now qualify as combat-ready. Officers educated at the elite West Point academy are leaving at a rate not seen in 30 years, with the consequence that the US army has a shortfall of 3,000 commissioned officers - and the problem is expected to worsen.

And it is not only the soldiers that are worn out. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have led to the destruction, or wearing out, of 40 per cent of the US army's equipment, totalling at a recent count $212bn (£105bn).

But it is in the soldiers themselves - and in the ordinary stories they tell - that the exhaustion of the US military is most obvious, coming amid warnings that soldiers serving multiple Iraq deployments, now amounting to several years, are 50 per cent more likely than those with one tour to suffer from acute combat stress.

The army's exhaustion is reflected in problems such as the rate of desertion and unauthorised absences - a problem, it was revealed earlier this year, that had increased threefold on the period before the war in Afghanistan and had resulted in thousands of negative discharges.

'They are scraping to get people to go back and people are worn out,' said Thomas Grieger, a senior US navy psychiatrist, told the International Herald Tribune in April.

'Modern war is exhausting,' says Major Stacie Caswell, an occupational therapist with a combat stress unit attached to the military hospital in Mosul. Her unit runs long group sessions to help soldiers with emerging mental health and discipline problems: often they have seen friends killed and injured, or are having problems stemming from issues at home - responsible for 50 to 60 per cent of their cases. One of the most common problems in Iraq is sleep disorders.

'This is a different kind of war,' says Caswell. 'In World War II it was clear who the good guys and the bad guys were. You knew what you would go through on the battlefield.' Now she says the threat is all around. And soldiering has changed. 'Now we have so many things to do...'

'And the soldier in Vietnam,' interjects Sergeant John Valentine from the same unit, 'did not get to see the coverage from home that these soldiers do. We see what is going on at home on the political scene. They think the war is going to end. Then we have the frustration and confusion. That is fatiguing. Mentally tiring.'

'Not only that,' says Caswell, 'but because of the nature of what we do now, the number of tasks in comparison with previous generations - even as you are finishing your 15 months here you are immediately planning and training for your next tour.' Valentine adds: 'There is no decompression.'

The consequence is a deep-seated problem of retention and recruitment that in turn, says Caswell, has led the US army to reduce its standards for joining the military, particularly over the issue of no longer looking too hard at any previous history of mental illness. 'It is a question of honesty, and we are not investigating too deeply or we are issuing waivers. The consequence is that we are seeing people who do not have the same coping skills when they get here, and this can be difficult.

'We are also seeing older soldiers coming in - up to 41 years old - and that is causing its own problems. They have difficulty dealing with the physical impact of the war and also interacting with the younger men.'

Valentine says: 'We are not only watering down the quality of the soldiers but the leadership too. The good leaders get out. I've seen it. And right now we are on the down slope.'

'War tsar' calls for return of the draft to take the strain

America's 'war tsar' has called for the nation's political leaders to consider bringing back the draft to help a military exhausted by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In a radio interview, Lieutenant General Douglas Lute said the option had always been open to boost America's all-volunteer army by drafting in young men in the same way as happened in Vietnam. 'I think it makes sense to consider it,' he said. Lute was appointed 'war tsar' earlier this year after President Bush decided a single figure was needed to oversee the nation's military efforts abroad.

Rumours of a return to the draft have long circulated in military circles as the pressure from fighting two large conflicts at the same time builds on America's forces. However, politically it would be extremely difficult to achieve, especially for any leader hoping to be elected in 2008. Bush has previously ruled out the suggestion as unnecessary.

Lute, however, said the war was causing stress to military families and, as a result, was having an impact on levels of re-enlistment. 'This kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living-room conversations within these families. Ultimately the health of the all-volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family decisions,' he said.

A draft would revive bad memories of the turmoil of the 1960s and early 1970s when tens of thousands of young men were drafted to fight and die in Vietnam. Few other policies proved as divisive in America and the memories of anti-war protesters burning their draft cards and fleeing to Canada are still vivid in the memory.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2147052,00.html
 
As usual, more bad news from the Iraq War.
 
Of course morale is gonna be low. I'm sure most of the soldiers are wondering what the hell they're still doing there (let alone doing there to begin with).
 
Where's the analysis on this?

What percentage of the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Navy have even set foot on the ground in Iraq?

The Marine Corps is 177,000 strong, and there are over 60,000 Marines that haven't been involved in GWOT at all.

There might be brigades in the Army that aren't battle ready. It doesn't surprise me one bit. One thing is for sure, those that have been in Iraq are battle ready. One of the reasons for the increase in non-battlefield ready groups within the military is due to restructuring. We've eliminated a lot of standard warfare elements and transformed those units into line companies. That is, infantry anti-terrorism outfits. My old unit went from a tank battalion do a gigantic anti-terrorism battalion comprised of all kinds of units that weren't infantry. A lot of artillery and tank brigades have dissolved, and it's been problematic transitioning into infantry ranks. You have all kinds of breaches of contracts. Everyone in my battalion was FORCED to go from being tankers, comm bubba's, mechanics, drivers, administration, to infantry. And this has wrapped up tens of thousands of people within the military in Rumsfeld's plan to transition us from a traditional warfare fighting force into one that's more capable of combatting and battling terrorism. This is also one of the reasons for the shortage and loss of qualified officers. Tank officers, and artillery officers, make useless infantry officers.

The funny thing is, on the Marine Corps side, there's still no shortage of forcing people out. I've seen A LOT of good guys get forced out for not picking up that next stripe or that nice shiny piece of rank.

What a one sided piece of garbage.

5 days on, 2 days off? What? When I was doing this, it was a 12 day rotation with one day off, that was hardly ever off. On my last rotation, I essentially went the first two months, and the last two months straight without days off.

Good leaders get out too huh? The number one reason that good leaders get out, is because of their superiors. Good CO's get out because they are under bad leadership from Battallion commanders. Battallion commanders get out because they don't like the colonel. Lieutenants get out because they joined for four years and to get college paid for. The military is a soap opera. Especially in the officer ranks. You've never heard more swearing than listening to officers complain about other officers.
 
Where's the analysis on this?

What percentage of the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Navy have even set foot on the ground in Iraq?

The Marine Corps is 177,000 strong, and there are over 60,000 Marines that haven't been involved in GWOT at all.

There might be brigades in the Army that aren't battle ready. It doesn't surprise me one bit. One thing is for sure, those that have been in Iraq are battle ready. One of the reasons for the increase in non-battlefield ready groups within the military is due to restructuring. We've eliminated a lot of standard warfare elements and transformed those units into line companies. That is, infantry anti-terrorism outfits. My old unit went from a tank battalion do a gigantic anti-terrorism battalion comprised of all kinds of units that weren't infantry. A lot of artillery and tank brigades have dissolved, and it's been problematic transitioning into infantry ranks. You have all kinds of breaches of contracts. Everyone in my battalion was FORCED to go from being tankers, comm bubba's, mechanics, drivers, administration, to infantry. And this has wrapped up tens of thousands of people within the military in Rumsfeld's plan to transition us from a traditional warfare fighting force into one that's more capable of combatting and battling terrorism. This is also one of the reasons for the shortage and loss of qualified officers. Tank officers, and artillery officers, make useless infantry officers.

The funny thing is, on the Marine Corps side, there's still no shortage of forcing people out. I've seen A LOT of good guys get forced out for not picking up that next stripe or that nice shiny piece of rank.

What a one sided piece of garbage.

5 days on, 2 days off? What? When I was doing this, it was a 12 day rotation with one day off, that was hardly ever off. On my last rotation, I essentially went the first two months, and the last two months straight without days off.

Good leaders get out too huh? The number one reason that good leaders get out, is because of their superiors. Good CO's get out because they are under bad leadership from Battallion commanders. Battallion commanders get out because they don't like the colonel. Lieutenants get out because they joined for four years and to get college paid for. The military is a soap opera. Especially in the officer ranks. You've never heard more swearing than listening to officers complain about other officers.

The marines not suprisingly because of the prestige has not been affected by this unlike the army. This is reflected by its strong recuitment its also still to a large degree about to pick and choose the from the best.

The marines of course also have an average tour of 8months while army gets 15 months though to be fair it dose more then its share of the fighting.

I have no doubt that combat units essentially work 14 hours days 7 days a week. might be different for those stationed within the green zone and have non-combat roles ?

I read that the attrition rate for officers is exceptionally high. People leaving cannot be solely explained by "soap opera" sentiments
 
The Marine units going in and out have much less down time, and a much more rigorous schedule. This is pretty much happening in the reserves too. It's 7 month tours, one month leave, four months prepping for the next deployment in regards to the units that continouisly rotate in and out.

Also keep in mind, that Marines are in the most difficult spots. We make up the majority of the FOB's, and we are the ones working Al Anbar province.

There's definitely frustration in the ranks concerning this, but there's MUCH more frustration resulting from the politics of this war, and the way it has been fought.

I gotta be honest, you say that you don't believe the soap opera stories. I will tell you straight up that because of last CO (an artillery officer put in charge of guarding a forward operating base, with both static and dynamic security), that my XO blatantly said that he would not deploy to Iraq in December with my battalion if my CO was put in charge. Theoretically, he was going to be picking up rank and would have been the BATTALION CO. Quite frankly, the man will cost lives. There were a LOT of people that were in the same boat. Our First sergeant, both platoon commanders, a number of staff, and a lot of NCO's that would otherwise volunteer to go, will NOT go if given the choice.

In my opinion, bad officers and gutless staff are the worst part of the military, and are the number one contributor on people getting out.
 
Rofl. I get one thing out of this report that I already knew. War is tough work.

The red bull comment really made me laugh though. Hell, how many people back here in the USA do the very same thing to get through their work day?
 
The red bull comment really made me laugh though. Hell, how many people back here in the USA do the very same thing to get through their work day?

Those poor hapless people. Red Bull tastes like powdered chalk in water.
 
WHAT!, I love red bull. It got me to Vegas form IL once
 
The Marine units going in and out have much less down time, and a much more rigorous schedule. This is pretty much happening in the reserves too. It's 7 month tours, one month leave, four months prepping for the next deployment in regards to the units that continouisly rotate in and out.

Also keep in mind, that Marines are in the most difficult spots. We make up the majority of the FOB's, and we are the ones working Al Anbar province.

There's definitely frustration in the ranks concerning this, but there's MUCH more frustration resulting from the politics of this war, and the way it has been fought.

I gotta be honest, you say that you don't believe the soap opera stories. I will tell you straight up that because of last CO (an artillery officer put in charge of guarding a forward operating base, with both static and dynamic security), that my XO blatantly said that he would not deploy to Iraq in December with my battalion if my CO was put in charge. Theoretically, he was going to be picking up rank and would have been the BATTALION CO. Quite frankly, the man will cost lives. There were a LOT of people that were in the same boat. Our First sergeant, both platoon commanders, a number of staff, and a lot of NCO's that would otherwise volunteer to go, will NOT go if given the choice.

In my opinion, bad officers and gutless staff are the worst part of the military, and are the number one contributor on people getting out.

That dosnt suprise me. Incompetant people making there way very high up into the chain of command. What I had in mind was people like Gen Franks whom resigned or retired (?) just as things were begining to slide. Powell who by all accounts was against invading Iraq resigned as well. (Now that I think about it probably for the same reason. incompetent commanders)

EDIT: This reminds me of Gen Garner and he the sad situation he found himself in under rumsfield.
In hind sight he should have stood he ground and have been removed like Zinni and Shinseki

“We’ve made three tragic decisions,” Garner said.

“Really?” Rumsfeld said.


“Three terrible mistakes,” Garner said. He cited the extent of the de-Baathification, getting rid of the army, and summarily dumping the Iraqi leadership group. Disbanding the military had been the biggest mistake. Now there were hundreds of thousands of disorganized, unemployed, armed Iraqis running around. Garner made his final point: “There’s still time to rectify this. There’s still time to turn it around.”

Rumsfeld looked at Garner for a moment with his take-no-prisoners gaze. “Well,” he said, “I don’t think there is anything we can do, because we are where we are.”


When you talk about "soap opera" dramas I was under the impression that good officers were leaving for minor trivial reasons.

Now Iam wondering whether the democrates pushing for more time between delpoyments is good thing ? On the one hand it means a lot less stress for the military and on the other it means that the surge troop strength cannot be continued.
 
Rofl. I get one thing out of this report that I already knew. War is tough work.

The red bull comment really made me laugh though. Hell, how many people back here in the USA do the very same thing to get through their work day?
Never got past the first two lines did you? :)

'They are scraping to get people to go back and people are worn out,' said Thomas Grieger, a senior US navy psychiatrist, told the International Herald Tribune in April.

'Modern war is exhausting,' says Major Stacie Caswell, an occupational therapist with a combat stress unit attached to the military hospital in Mosul. Her unit runs long group sessions to help soldiers with emerging mental health and discipline problems: often they have seen friends killed and injured, or are having problems stemming from issues at home - responsible for 50 to 60 per cent of their cases. One of the most common problems in Iraq is sleep disorders.

'This is a different kind of war,' says Caswell. 'In World War II it was clear who the good guys and the bad guys were. You knew what you would go through on the battlefield.' Now she says the threat is all around. And soldiering has changed. 'Now we have so many things to do...'

'And the soldier in Vietnam,' interjects Sergeant John Valentine from the same unit, 'did not get to see the coverage from home that these soldiers do. We see what is going on at home on the political scene. They think the war is going to end. Then we have the frustration and confusion. That is fatiguing. Mentally tiring.'

'Not only that,' says Caswell, 'but because of the nature of what we do now, the number of tasks in comparison with previous generations - even as you are finishing your 15 months here you are immediately planning and training for your next tour.' Valentine adds: 'There is no decompression.'

The consequence is a deep-seated problem of retention and recruitment that in turn, says Caswell, has led the US army to reduce its standards for joining the military, particularly over the issue of no longer looking too hard at any previous history of mental illness. 'It is a question of honesty, and we are not investigating too deeply or we are issuing waivers. The consequence is that we are seeing people who do not have the same coping skills when they get here, and this can be difficult.

'We are also seeing older soldiers coming in - up to 41 years old - and that is causing its own problems. They have difficulty dealing with the physical impact of the war and also interacting with the younger men.'

Valentine says: 'We are not only watering down the quality of the soldiers but the leadership too. The good leaders get out. I've seen it. And right now we are on the down slope.'
The article argues that there's a different strain on soldiers while waging war than there was in the past. It's a valid point and it contains a little more than: "war is tough". So roll on the floor all you want, I think it's important that this is noted and that steps are taken to counter it in a different way than previous wars. I also think it's a good thing that this is reported to those who aren;t in the army so that they realise what effect this particular type of war has on soldiers.

It's also worrying that qualified soldiers are dropping out and replaced with less skilled ones. What does this mean when the war in Iraq lasts for 5 or more years to come?
 
Never got past the first two lines did you? :)

Actually, I did read the whole thing.

The article argues that there's a different strain on soldiers while waging war than there was in the past.

Sigh. So this exhaustion is different that what soldiers experienced say, on the beaches of Normandy or the jungles of Vietnam?

No. The war might be different....stress is the same.

It's a valid point and it contains a little more than: "war is tough". So roll on the floor all you want, I think it's important that this is noted and that steps are taken to counter it in a different way than previous wars. I also think it's a good thing that this is reported to those who aren;t in the army so that they realise what effect this particular type of war has on soldiers.

War has had this effect on soldiers since FOREVER. That hasnt changed.

It's also worrying that qualified soldiers are dropping out and replaced with less skilled ones. What does this mean when the war in Iraq lasts for 5 or more years to come?

Again, not that much different from past wars. People learn quick and pass on their experience to others.
 
Actually, I did read the whole thing.
Allright, might be. I couldn't know. it really looks that way though :)
Sigh. So this exhaustion is different that what soldiers experienced say, on the beaches of Normandy or the jungles of Vietnam?
Beaches of Normandy is not quite a good comparisson, Jungles of Vietnam is.

But to answer your question .... yes? Why the sigh? Getting tired :old:? :D
No. The war might be different....stress is the same.
There are so many different types of stress. And in this case, they are not the same. A soldier fighting in the trenches is under a complete different sort of stress than one in the streets of Bagdad. Different responsibilites, different types of stress. I don't have to be in the army to know that, since this is true in any line of work.
War has had this effect on soldiers since FOREVER. That hasnt changed.
'And the soldier in Vietnam,' interjects Sergeant John Valentine from the same unit, 'did not get to see the coverage from home that these soldiers do. We see what is going on at home on the political scene. They think the war is going to end. Then we have the frustration and confusion. That is fatiguing. Mentally tiring.'

'Not only that,' says Caswell, 'but because of the nature of what we do now, the number of tasks in comparison with previous generations - even as you are finishing your 15 months here you are immediately planning and training for your next tour.' Valentine adds: 'There is no decompression.'

I really believed that I quoted these fellers before. I believe they make sense.
Again, not that much different from past wars. People learn quick and pass on their experience to others.
The difference being the reason there is such a high turnover, it is not casualties.

I would have suspected a lesser turnover rate than previous wars because of the relative low number of casualties. It seems the 'casualties' of this war are not the dead.
 
In past wars you could force people to fight in the military, and thus prolong a war past 5 or so years. This is a bit different nowadays, and the all-volunteer army will bleed heavy in a war this long.
 
There are so many different types of stress. And in this case, they are not the same.

:rolleyes:

A soldier fighting in the trenches is under a complete different sort of stress than one in the streets of Bagdad. Different responsibilites, different types of stress. I don't have to be in the army to know that, since this is true in any line of work.

The stress is the same. Its all combat related stress. Both soldiers face the fear of getting killed in combat....it doesnt matter that the situations are slightly different, the fear is the same. The problem in Iraq is that the soldiers have less time to get rid of that stress because of the high op-tempo there.

Look, I just recently sat through a hugely intensive class on PTSD and combat stress for soldier leaders. I think I know what I am on about.

I really believed that I quoted these fellers before. I believe they make sense.
The difference being the reason there is such a high turnover, it is not casualties.

I agree its not casualties. The Iraq war has been fairly casualty light in comparison. But they do have a high op-tempo, which means they are constantly busy. Being constantly busy, with no down time, will exhaust you in just a few weeks. I know, I have done it in exercises displaying high optempo situations.
 
There are so many different types of stress. And in this case, they are not the same. A soldier fighting in the trenches is under a complete different sort of stress than one in the streets of Bagdad. Different responsibilites, different types of stress. I don't have to be in the army to know that, since this is true in any line of work.

yes, but it has the same physical and very similar psychological effects, so?
 
I got the impression that the issue isn't whether soldiers feel stress, but whether they get enough recuperation to counter long-term fatigue setting in.

Soldiers feeling stress is a non issue. Ask any grunt doing whatever at some point, and he will have a big heartfelt moan. The problem is real if people aren't taken out of circulation long enough to recoup. That might actually be a real problem for the US army, to go by this article.
 
In my opinion, bad officers and gutless staff are the worst part of the military, and are the number one contributor on people getting out.

I thought it was whiny can't see the forest for the trees ratings who blame everthing on anything but themselves.

A soldier fighting in the trenches is under a complete different sort of stress than one in the streets of Bagdad.

It helps that in this war you are pretty much sure to come home in one piece.

The only difference now is that the "successes" are not concrete/tangible. There is no sitting in the square of a reconquered village with enemy tanks burning all around you and a battalion worth of dejected prisioners heading to the rear while you eat their wierd tasting rations. That hurts moral. Now its a daily grind.

And fifteen months is better than 3-4 years. WWII/Korea veterans must roll their eyes when they hear that.

the number of tasks in comparison with previous generations - even as you are finishing your 15 months here you are immediately planning and training for your next tour.' Valentine adds: 'There is no decompression.

To repeat, previous generations did not have rotations for the most part. You deployed and came home when it was over.
 
yes, but it has the same physical and very similar psychological effects, so?
So, this is less obvious than a large bodycount. I can see the value in informing the public that "this kind of stress" is having the same effects as a large bodycount.

What I wonder is, what consequences does this have on the duration of the war in Iraq?
 
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