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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Socrates99, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. Estebonrober

    Estebonrober Deity

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    https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...conservative-stand-for-anymore.646502/page-28

    I started one and it degenerated into sexism and racism repeatedly. I still don't understand what their philosophy is other than wealth worship. They don't actually believe in family values, or in fiscal responsibility, or well anything but wealth.
     
  2. luiz

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    It was him explaining what does it mean to be a conservative. His point was that as conservatism is, in his opinion, a philosophy of inheritance and stewardship, a Japanese conservative believes in different things compared to a Russian or British conservative. And because conservatives are not inherently reactionary, a conservative of 2020 does not necessarily believe in the same stuff as one of 1920. There is nothing postmodern about this.
     
  3. choxorn

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    Yeah, a lot of the conservatives I've encountered have a very my-way-is-the-only-right-way view of things, and often "my way" includes "I believe in this holy book written 3000 years ago and we should for sure follow the rules in it today, or at least, the rules that I like"

    All the right-wing rhetoric about how things were better in the past and we should go back to that sure could have fooled me.
     
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  4. luiz

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    Hum, that's quite a limited perspective there. One can be a right-winger without having any nostalgia about the past. Right-wingers can also want to be build futuristic utopias / dystopias, much like their leftists counterparts, only they would be different.
     
  5. choxorn

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    Isn't conservative thought generally based on the idea that the old, traditional ways are the best ways, no need to change things? Hard to see how you could believe that without having at least some nostalgia for the past.
     
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  6. luiz

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    You said right-wing before. Not all right-wingers are conservative.
     
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    Okay, what kind of right-winger doesn't have nostalgia for the past, then? Because most of them fall into the bucket of conservative or reactionary, both of which by definition have some nostalgia for the past.
     
  8. luiz

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    A lot?
    Historically the dominant right-wing ideology in Brazil, for example, was Positivism. It still kind of is the "official" ideology of the Army, and had a major influence in the country's history, especially in the abolition of the Empire and the Old Republic. It is fiercely anti-tradition (and thus also anti-clerical and anti-monarchist), but also against egalitarianism, as it believes it takes an enlightened elite to drive the masses towards progress. Brazil's motto, which you can read on the flag, is actually a Positivist formulation: Order and Progress (see, Progress, not tradition). It comes from Comte's personal motto of "Love as a principle and Order as base; Progress as the end".
     
  9. red_elk

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    SAA advance for the last two weeks:
    The army continues unblocking the Hama-Aleppo road, hopefully it will succeed.
    But next couple of months we most likely won't see major offensives from either side.
    Russia and Turkey started talks about de-escalation and fixation of new status-quo.
     
  10. cardgame

    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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    Three colors on the map and only one color in the legend box

    nice
     
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    The greens are pro-Turkish rebels, reds are the good guys, as always.
     
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    They don't even believe in wealth, not deep down. Wealth is a mechanism: a way of sorting people into superiors and inferiors. They are "capitalists" insofar as capitalism is an efficient way of doing so.
     
  13. Lexicus

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    I can't really think of any historical examples of right-wingers who didn't at least claim to be conservative, though. While I agree that this may be the case in principle it seems a bit disingenuous to deny that actually-existing right-wingers overwhelmingly tend to be conservative and vice-versa.
     
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  14. luiz

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    But in the following post I just gave an example of highly influential right-wingers who were very much modernizers (indeed they worshipped modernity) and opposed to conservatism.
     
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    Highlighting the fact that some right-wing movements have been anti-conservative seems to affirm, rather than contradict, my observation that the essence of right-wing politics is a commitment to hierarchy.
     
  16. luiz

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    It's hard to pinpoint the essence of what is right-wing or not. For the left I guess the essence would be to profess a belief in egalitarianism (even if often it's just lip service), so I guess the essence of the right could be said to be disbelief in egalitarianism (not necessarily anti-egalitarianism).
     
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    ah yes , Xenforo cuts me out once again . New Turkey heroically has given time until the end of this month of February for Syrians to retreat to the previous borders of like when the offensive started . And yes , the greens are not rebels supported by Turkey . They are heart eaters who don't move a finger to help New Turkey's proxies . But don't worry , it won't be New Turkey tanks invading Moscow .
     
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    Not that I'm aware of.
     
  20. r16

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    the post A-K-P world gains more currency . Even in Greece . This Greek guy must be so busy because he surely would have trolled me with impending doom like 10 times in this week and ı would troll him back that he doesn't speak Deutch is only because some British dude by the name of Dowding didn't want to learn Greek and the only job he would not need learning Greek was Army and over time he got to organize the air defence of the islands against the Nazi Germany . It's kinda hard to see whether anyone else could have done it ; because Dowding was a special case of nuts , rare even for the Brits . So , let me explain to him why some retired Greek Admiral is supposedly accused of treason ...

    Spoiler :


    because A-K-P is loosing traction . Even if they are at an exalted state of not bothering to explain themselves , the writing is kinda on the wall . So , this Greek admiral plays the devil's advocate and trying to cool the feeling down . You might have heard of the Greek-Israeli plans to sell natural gas to Europe ; making them military allies against us Turks , but not exactly against New Turkey . One would question whether he was told of the small print relating to the Aegean , but inside pages of the newspaper suggests he is just preparing the ground work , like they declared 10 nm as aerial borders like back in , what , 1930 and nobody agrees to that . That's like obviously too early to take their illegal ammunition depots out of the range of any radio guided glide bomb that would readily disappear in the explosion , remember it's 1930 . So , it must be denying free travel to some hare brained Clipper service to Izmir or something like that . He also says New Turkey is a regional superpower and Greeks must make a deal . As New Turkey lasts and one day won't last anymore . Like they will not extend their territorial waters and in return for that must be given more economic exclusion areas . So that New Turkey will sign that and the Greeks get rights , overcoming stuff (Lord Vader and bunch were just about) to go war for in 1975 .

    ditto for the almost racists . The leader of which having just declared that the "Nation" must plan for the occupation of Damascus . Is he planning to abandon the PM when he can't conquer Damascus ? Is he planning to keep a clique in the Army of Petrol , because despite the claims to come , everybody knows planning for BOP was declared a court-martial offence somewhere sometime back , BOP being the Turkish initials of some Greater Middle East Initiative that aimed to create a bloodbath in the biblical lands with minimum US casualties . It also happens to be the justification for like miilions or billions or trillions of traitors that turned up in the country , because obviously America would destroy the Republic and people had to save themselves . By joining the destruction with total commitment . Only to deny the satisfaction to the US and people obviously must pay in the courts and even this calls for judges and attorneys sent to jail in hordes , now that the destruction to the institutions of the country can barely be fixed in 50 years ... In the news that some PM's advisor , rather famous for his non-stop ranting that he was never made a Goverment Minister in any cabinet despite being the "top" Constitutional expert , seems to be really involved in the escape of some Iranian drug-baron after he was released but was still tried in court ; at least the judge of the case will go under with allegations that he was paid 3 and a half million dollars .

    american reaction to that you will already have witnessed in the thread . That they hope there will be a fight and PM will have it and they doubt the legality of NATO and Article V , for , well , all those "successes" of New Turkey . Officially they support New Turkey and the "Ceasefire" in Syria . Which was never supported by the US . And ı never had the chance to report America offered Russia warmer relations . You people will of course think this is about Trump . Now that he can no longer be impeached , he's offering to improve the affairs between the respective countries . No , the Americans are telling Russians that they can attack New Turkey ... Whenever the chance for war , America loves Russia . Who's going to fight us ? Klingons , mayhaps ?

    the situation on the ground depends on the Russian wish to open the so called M5 route between Damascus and Halep . When Putin cleared the New Turkey for various election jihads in Syria this and the M4 route to Lazkiye / Latakia from Halep were primary demands of the Russians . Them to be opened (and naturally put under "Regime" control dividing the temporary El Kaidistan aka Idlip Province occupied by El Nusra in 2015) . To that end New Turkey was granted permission to kill limited numbers of seperatists so that it would agree to disarm El Nusra and accept them as refugees . So that they would be readily available as cut-throats when the signal was given . Do not bet any money on the trust level of Pentagon on how many ICBMs and the lot they will be able put onto Turkish targets . To that end New Turkey was given 12 observation posts , when ringed around the lands of El Kaide , it looked like New Turkey had conquered another country , without a single casualty ! New Turkey , because nobody pays attention to New Turkey when it fires on the Syrians , can not stop the advance , so Army of Petrol makes a firebase , calls it a new observation post and demands it to be "respected" . They had 4 around Serakıp , they still remain , 2 on M4 , 2 on M5 , like North , East , South , West of the town and the Syrians advanced between them and liberated the town . A correct word as Serakıp belongs to Syria . Army of Petrol waits for its proxies to conquer it back ; Al Crusading showed 10 beardies getting in and getting out of two IFVs last night . 13 so far killed on the side of New Turkey were all killed by Syrian artillery fire in those "new" type of observation posts in two incidents , one around Serakıp and one in a Syrian airbase upnorth . New Turkey expects Syrians to retreat to the original line drawn around the 12 originals , 3 surrounded , 4th about to . It seems the Syrians have 7 kilometers left to liberate . To open the M5 .


    a different Arab also appears on Al Crusading , says that New Turkey should honour its word . See , Irresuction claims there are now more Army of Petrol troops in Idlip than beardies or at least proxies of New Turkey . He speaks quite passable English , has quite nice clothes . This is the essence of Arab Warfare ; everyone talks of honour of those who don't show up to die on his behalf . Ah yes , it is like he will fight to death and not come here after the final defeat , pushing the refugees to 6 million plus . He will be like questioning the honour of the West in 10 years time when they rebel again and demand No Fly Zones and intervention after the required chemical attacks .

    russians of course talk of the second battery of S-400s to sell . Arab Warfare is 10 times double the more glorious when you bribe the enemy leader . Putin has had like 1000 ceasefires by now , they tend to last like 72 hours at most . It becomes 20 times triple the more glorious when your people tell that they will burn Syria down as in the the leader of almost racists declare . He has had some major medical issues , he can't shout as loud as he used to , but his party is still the spare wheel of A-K-P . ı don't expect any politician volunteering to lead on the ground .


    and A-K-P naturally "destroys" the willpower and stuff of the country . Martyrdom is important , the respect it commands requires care ; but guess what , the numbers of those who killed in Syria do not exactly add up to sustained performance of the Party . There will naturally be those who attack the flowers and bouquets at the funeral of the fallen when they are sent by the CHP , the relatives of the soldiers will then call Main Opposition offices and tell it wasn't them . Survival of the Party is not a sine qua non for the country . Because the Army of Petrol already looks like a failure to guarantee in a civil war and anything similar , Party is trying a thousand ways to create a armed fallback option . Do not give me it's a standart in hardliner countries , it's already delayed , the revolutionary guards of A-K-P .

    the prospects are kinda so low that the "babyland" of Northern Cyprus , in the person of its President , offers talks to Greek Cypriots and some funding from the bonanza of the pipeline . Now that this country is the "motherland" . Naturally the President guy is called a traitor , even if he was wounded as a "mücahit" in 1974 or before , while none of the party leaders in this country have been there or whatever . Simple , did ı ever mention the pipeline would not happen ? Oh yes , ı did .


    survival of the Party is not a sine qua non for the country and war on a larger scale then it happens already in Syria will not benefit the Party . Not that what happens already is accepted in any sense , but let's pass that for the moment . Syrian territorial integrity is the solution , after the Kurds have re-discovered that they D-O N-O-T have the power , nor Americans and all their cohorts the power and the will . Nonstop interference only justifies Damascus wholeheartedly supporting seperatists for further losses and agony . Leave it to run its course and Damascus will murder Kurds , in the way they have been liberating their country . If Kurds start trouble , like this so called Rojava . As American boots on the ground , as mercenaries to say the least . Ah yes , Kurds are coming back . America is said to be looking at ways to fight the notion of Nation State once again ; the only they would accept was 'stan ... Because of the mess since 2015 , it's solidly limited to cultural stuff these days . So , the social media is chocked full by the 15 year old working in a construction site and he has a powerful voice . He can be said to have made it already with famous singers lined up for his career . Nobody is yet caring for the Turk , as in some undeniable and irreversible advances in individual would improve the lot for anyone in the country , with advances above the level when the Party took over . But then this is Middle East , no place for such silly ideas .



    in the 12 hours after ı finished this at home , let me see , some smartie declared New Turkey was anti-imperialist and that was cool , the former chief of the goverment generals , now secretary for defence in the palace cabinet called on NATO , EU and ı think UN to stop the offensive , there's a NATO meeting today and isn't New Turkey an integral part of the West asks some anchor , insisiting some village was re-conquered by the proxies despite Al Crusading was telling it had long ago reverted back and that much of a proxy advance happened only because day long Army of Petrol artillery fire , which might not revenge fire . And the former colonial governor to Ankara Jefrey sometthing talks in a rather broken Turkish that "they" have martyrs , as if those 8+5 were killed in the name of the West . They indeed were but that's not the point as Jefrey's time here as the Ambrassador was such a magnificient time for Congregation , ever victorious . And to sate NewTurkey's cosplay as global power , the beardies hit an helicopter whose pilot had a selfie with Süleymani , which then shows New Turkey extremely viciously and badly defeated Iran .

    and yes , ı don't count the Army of Petrol as Turkish in the way ı understand the word Turkish , since 2015 something. Americans want to believe that's intented to keep some small percentage of "prestige" after New Turkey becomes master or slave of the Arab Princes and oil sheiks . You people will see we will have kinda unburned tanks to shell the domes of Kremlin .
     

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