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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Socrates99, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Well, nice going by the Eu. I think that, sadly, if anything is to change it will have to be pushed by the public in Germany or France.
    Tldr, Turkey should just stop existing as it is now, it is not sustainable and will lead to war with a more serious army than the one Syria has - which already showcased how non-existant the turkish military is in power projection.
    But Turkey being a medieval state-warmonger is nothing new - the sad fact here is that the Eu does nothing and pretends like there is still a refugee treaty between Turkey and Eu. FFS, Turkey is sending immigrants in buses and ships, using even military vessels to escort them to land illegally in Greece. What kind of joke is the Eu to pretend the deal still exists? :vomit:
     
  2. red_elk

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    Nobody wants war with Turkey, though right now they are seriously worsening relations with Syria-Iran-Russia coalition. With their other neighbors (Armenia, Cyprus) aren't being on good terms with them too, at this rate Greece soon will be the friendliest Turkish neighbor...
     
  3. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    I want to remind Ivan this is ironic because Putin keeps annexing boarding countries clay and now surrounded by distrustful nations on nearly everyside
    We all expected that the alliance to take out ISIS would fall apart but never like this though.
     
  4. red_elk

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    Except Ukraine and Georgia, all Russia's neighbors are either allied or neutral.
     
  5. r16

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    this , my friends and nonfriends , is the visual proof of what ı have been foolishy saying in about 4000 posts here in CFC .


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    these heroic people are our sunnier Sunni friends , our long lost brothers , our dearest . They have probably used a Stinger type missile , probably supplied through this country , if not by New Turkey itself . To shoot down a drone . By accident , a New Turkey drone , the pride of the second son-in-law of the PM . The dear beardies supposedly do not know the roundel that used to signify the now dead Turkish Air Force and various flying units of now dead Army and now dead Navy . They celebrate , they have the regular Allahu Ekber , they film themselves , they show it on their websites (?) It's actually hard to find stuff , because it proves Syrian Irresuction joyously dances at the losses of the "leader of Muslims" . As in "Ümmetin Lideri" .

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    so , this is the picture you tend to find if you look for images of the event . That's the signature of Mustafa Kemal , it's applied to practically all aerial vehicles of the aerial branch of Army of Petrol , to claim that they respect the founder of the Republic , you know , an average lie . So , the jihadis were joyous not for shooting down New Turkey drone , but for destroying a Kemalist drone . You are all fools , you have no idea how smart the smart people of Middle East are .

    of course nobody will ever accept that as soon as the last Turk is done away , gas chambers and all , Neo Umayyad will call for a further phase , and New Turkey will discover how close brothers they are with the Jihadists . ı have no problem with the notion that every man and woman in this country will be raped and sdmized ; we Turks will be all dead by then .

    elsewhere , they have kinda eaten their own words . Hawks and F-16s were supposedly in use together . Instead it's now a single F-16 shooting 3 Sidewinders , downing 2 , damaging 1 . The defence ministry people are now a legend , they say those two Syrian Su-24s "attacked" F-16s . And because Syrians can not possibly attack New Turkey , because that would imply Syrians were as manly as New Turkey , so the single F-16 fired only when the Su-24s came within 50 kilometers from the border ; a meaningless sentence but nobody would care . If F-16 was not self-defending , but protecting the borders ! New Turkey tries hard to surprise people , they have now banned demonstrations in Istanbul for a week , to prevent the "nation" getting demoralized . ı don't know how the people that vote for A-K-P can ever get demoralized ... Also they got a L-39 , once again firing across the border . I don't know how they will manage to get the Russian Military Police out of Serakıp , which has fallen to Syrians again . (But , yes they have Hawks deployed)


    refugees ? Oh my , New Turkey angry at some Syrian guy who says they didn't ask New Turkey to save them . New Turkey not much concerned with Syrians trying to leave the new heaven on earth aka New Turkey . Masses at the borders makes a mess , Merkel must support New Turkey against Putin , a billion Euros can wait . That's the amount PM reportedly rejected . Not much casualties and much allegations . Greek Coastguard will not sink refugee boats with sticks or machine gun them , not when they can be filmed and New Turkey steadfastly will refuse any claims that they supposedly killed up to a thousand Syrian refugees over the years at the borders . And so much money being made , honour comes to fore , only when the wallets are full , not before . Those hundreds of thousands of people have sold what they owned to pay for fare to the border . The nation that votes for A-K-P , of course will grumble when somebody has to pay for the sustainance of those people who lost their jobs as well . Expect a lot of ranting against traitors .

    and like amazingly balanced actions from people , they haven't beheaded sheep in front of the Russian embassy / only one TV commentator calling Russian women as pr_stitudes .

    in the 12 hours after this post was wrapped at home , pentagon declared they will have no air support for New Turkey in Idlib , offered 108 million dollars as humanitarian help and will sell weapons to New Turkey . Proxy warfare you know . Much talk that El Kaide will be taken out of terror lists so that America can support them directly . The leader of almost racists has assured the country if New Turkey does not fight in Idlib , Hatay will fall . Which had absolutely no risk of falling until A-K-P came to power is not a thing he will discuss now , but ı wonder . Considering the readiness of almost racists to kill anyone , how could Hatay ever fall ? And this Ergenekon victim with a type of Stockholm Syndrome . He is so smart that he doesn't know he is transparent . So much that he is now seated on the Party side in TV debates ; has a rant against Angelina Jolie . Asking her to come and make Greeks take in the refugees . So critical a situation that New Turkey has started arresting Opposition journalists on site , to prevent reporting that the Greeks are quite successful in repelling the "millions and millions" of refugees . So Jolie traitorously came and said good things about the refugee camps in Turkey . Because the word is apparently apparatchik and his new friends were keeping him in jail at the time so he might not have heard . Because UN goodwill ambrassadors have no authorisation for occupation of an UN Member country , Angelina refused to accept that she would and all the Party columnists wrote she was a ___(fill in the blank) who wore 10 000$ Hermes bags . Of course not , that was only because she refused to make a donation of 10s of millions and have a photo session with the PM and one those huge checks the Americans always have at photo sessions . Will she come and tell the Greeks ? ı doubt it ; she is either on a diet or having a nervous breakdown . But hope is not lost , Hollywood will be everywhere as long as paid . Lindsey Lohan was a staple until the idiot who will become the next Saudi King paid higher . Any average Saudi Prince is richer than the PM , any Saudi Prince is richer than any New Turkey journalist . So , perhaps all the people in the Party media should donate a month's worth of wages so that some people will be on the border . "Vatan sizden hamiyet bekliyor" , meaning they should serve the country , right ? Failing that , there's always Tuğçe Kazaz , a fashion model who got so fed up with the banality of being a fashion model and ... No , she didn't cover her head and join A-K-P . She became a Christian , married some Greek . It was after 2 years or so , she found the true path and reconverted . She should be deployed on the border and throw her cross across . A million Christians globally would die in an heartbeat . After so much success of military success , which the whole world envies , that would be the log that broke the camel's back . New Turkey is mighty , it has got nothing to do with straws .
     
  6. Zardnaar

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    Reestablish the Byzantine empire and bring them into NATO.
     
  7. red_elk

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    Putin and Erdogan meet today in Moscow.

    Erdogan's adviser Mesut Hakki: "We fought Russia 16 times in the past, we will do it again, our vengeance will be quite terrible"
    https://twitter.com/ahval_en/status/1233165920253751300

    Does he expect this time the outcome of the fight will be different?
     
  8. red_elk

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    Cease fire agreement reached.



    This is weird and doesn't look like a compromise at all. Did Erdogan simply agreed to all Russian proposals? Either he was hypnotized by Putin or he is just a bad diplomat.
    The M4 patrols likely won't start which will give blank check to Assad and Russia for resuming advance at any time.
    In any case, if hostilities end today this will be very good achievement.
     
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  9. luiz

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    Well, he was beaten militarily and the EU didn't give in to his migrant blackmail (Greece actually blocked migrants coming in quite effectively, showing it's not "impossible" as we were told by Brussels and the previous Greek government).

    So I guess he didn't have a lot of cards to play.
     
  10. red_elk

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    Beaten militarily is an overstatement, he suffered casualties but also inflicted serious casualties to the Syrians and managed to stop their advance. Though couldn't reverse it.
    On the other hand, continuing the war he risked direct confrontation with Russia and Iran. And he has problems elsewhere, with the Kurds and in Libya.

    Anyway, I'm glad that the situation is deescalating and the terms of agreement are favorable to Russia/Syria.
     
  11. FriendlyFire

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    Because Turkey military has a history of coups every time the economy implodeds, and Turkey wasnt prepared for an actual ground war with Syria.
    It probably just planned to grab some clay, when Yank left

    Syria refugees have been fleeing into Turkey for saftey for many years now.
    You know that this is a long term issue for Turkey.
     
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  12. r16

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    ah yes , we have already have forgotten that Americans were here to sell New Turkey ammunition ... See , bad New Turkey is bad and NATO does not help him , but wait , NATO also tells bad New Turkey to fight on ...

    and so much seperated New Turkey and America are ... that when America moves to make peace with the entire El Kaide (to use them against Iran , at least creating a more friendly "air situation" for Taliban so that Iran will have to take troops from Syria) New Turkey also releases refugees , many and many of them Afghans ...

    his surname is Çaşin , ı think . Kemalist Republic is so much hated that the "Law of Surnames" is also being slowly eroded , ı would say . Yeah , keyboard issues of lacking Turkish letters will also do .
     
  13. red_elk

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    Just a coincidence?
    The bronze clocks on the background depict "March of Don Cossacks through Balkans", referring to Russo-Turkish war of 1877-1878.
     
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  14. Hrothbern

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    Where are our body language experts ?

    I see in your picture Erdogan sitting like a beaten dog

    and here below a picture of handshaking
    I see Putin standing selfconfident, strong and satisfied, Erdogan submissive.
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  15. Kyriakos

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    Well, that is nice if so. But Russia should stop backing Turkey.

    And since Erdo is now willing to sign bad treaties for him, why not suggest Sevres? ^_^
     
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  16. red_elk

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    Russia is backing Syria which is almost the opposite of backing Turkey.

    He has to be defeated first. Wanna join the fight? Iran, Armenia and Syria on our side, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Ukraine on Turkish.
     
  17. r16

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    bah . New Turkey won a stunning victory for home consumption and nobody will attack New Turkey . So , well , won't you and we roll over and just die ?

    as for the people of New Turkey who know their state media etc is claiming 3000 odd Syrians , a lot of Iranians and 6 Russians killed . You gotta to do all that because Putin wants a second nuclear power station contract . Imagine how many of you Putin will allow to be killed if he ever gets cozy with the Saudis .
     
  18. luiz

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    What is New Turkey? When was it born, and how does it differ from old Turkey?
     
  19. Kyriakos

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    Turkish police/army try to gently get the immigrants to try to enter greek territory, by reminding them they will be beaten up if they don't comply.
    I suppose this helps the argument that Turkey isn't a "first safe country" :lol:
     
  20. red_elk

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    The guy looks puzzled when they tell him they don't want Greece.

    The results of winter offensive and cease fire agreement.
    Green hatched area is Syrian government gains. The M5 road is fully unblocked, though in some areas goes close to the frontline.
    Aleppo international airport resumed civilian flights after 7 years long pause.

    Turkey agreed to establish security corridor along the M4 highway in about a week, which I believe is next to impossible. Unless they are going to finish the Syrian army job, fight Al-Nusra militants.
     

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