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Irish General Election 2011 thread

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by RedRalph, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. RedRalph

    RedRalph Deity

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    ULA are getting my first preference, Nicola Curry specifically. I'll grudgingly give Labour a second pref, and I find myself toying with the idea of tactically giving Sinn Féin a third preference... don't think they can get anywhere in my constituency (Dublin South), but I''ll find out more and then decide.

    So, how badly are Fianna Fáil going to be annihilated? Is Fine Gael/Labour a definite, or could anyone else form a government? What constituency are you in?
     
  2. Abaddon

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    Could you tell us a bit more about these different groups.. I doubt there are many irish posters about...
     
  3. Shekwan

    Shekwan Kim Chi Quaffing Celt

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    Theres quite a few Irish posters. But I will sum it up for my own amusement.

    Fianna Fail
    The former self styled "Party of Government" and champagne Republicans. Have ruled the country for the vast majority of its existence. They have their origins in the anti-treaty forces of the Civil War, but have largely abandoned any semblance of true Republicanism since the 1980s. They are masters of cronyism, backhanders, and state sponsored corruption. Broadly speaking, they are a somewhat left wing populist party in rhetoric (Bertie Ahern famously defined himself as a Socialist) but mostly right wing in practice and supportive of big business. This upcoming election could be a landmark in that opinion polls are predicting Fianna Fail's fall from having any say on the national stage, their approval rating standing at between 15-18%. They recently elected a new Party Leader, Michael Martin, in an effort to discard Brian Cowen from the public view.

    Fine Gael
    Have their origins in the pro-Treaty forces in the Civil War, and have largely served as the opposition since the country's independence. They are pretty much bog-standard (literally bog, har har) Christian Democrats, despite having brief flirtations with Ireland's fascist Blue Shirt movement in the 1930s. They are set to win the most seats in the upcoming elections, according to opinion polls. They do however have some problems, such as having The World's Most Boring Man as their leader, Enda Kenny. He has caused a stir here in recent days by refusing to appear on a national televised debate with the other major parties. The TV network may televise an empty podium in his place.

    Labour Party
    Ireland's only major party that has a largely peaceful and nonviolent history. They are a centre-left party by European standards, and set to win the second most seats in the election according to opinion polls. Also, according to the polls they have the most popular party leader in Ireland; Eamonn Gilmore. The Labour Party has never been a major force in Irish politics, due to the largely rural voters. Not all that much else to say really.

    Sinn Fein
    Ireland's nutjob nationalist faction. Unlike most nationalist parties, they are very left wing. They were the political wing of the IRA for years, and have since renounced violence. Gerry Adams, the party leader and terrorist extraordinaire, is going to contest a seat in the Republic for the first time ever, as far as I know. His role in elections so far has largely been to serve as comic relief in debates about the economy.

    UWA - United Worker's Alliance
    Basically a Party made up of World's Angriest Man Joe Higgins and various socialist fringe groups. I have nothing against this lot, at least they have principles. Joe has every right to be angry too, they're just never going to amount to more than a one man show.

    Green Party
    The junior partners in the debacle that was the last government. They have been subject to a lot of public ridicule during their first ever spell in government, which included such gems as accusations that they wanted to count and monitor the frogspawn in Ireland's lakes. It could be argued that they forced this election by abandoning the government a couple of weeks ago. Its really too late for them, they're all but finished and are likely to suffer heavily as a result of being coalition partners with FF.

    So far the campaign can be summed up for each party as follows:

    Fianna Fail : We're sorry! We'll never do it again, promise.
    Fine Gael : Change! Political Reform! (Because we can't afford anything else...)
    Labour: We're not getting into bed with FG! More political reform! New Constitution!
    Sinn Fein: Down with the Elites/Bankers/Bailout/Sundry.
    ULA: Feck if I know.
    Green Party: Um... we could do the debate instead of Enda... please?

    If I've forgotten someone, they're not worth mentioning.
     
  4. Abaddon

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    Thank you, amusing and insightful
     
  5. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    Any party which wants to rejoin the rest of Ireland and become a constituent country of the UK?
     
  6. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    When even the Scots and Welsh are moving to bail out? I doubt it... :mischief:

    I'm not sure if I'd call Sinn Féinn "very left wing"- they've got a left-wing populist stance, sure enough, but the Provos left the explicit socialism with the Stickies and the Workers' Party. They're just a particularly shouty bunch of social democrats, really.
     
  7. Shekwan

    Shekwan Kim Chi Quaffing Celt

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    Yeah "very" might be a bit much. Relative to the other options they are quite out there. Populist would be a bit generous considering that their "solutions" aren't very popular.
     
  8. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    That's misapplication, really. They're popular enough in the North, they just don't really know how to a campaign on any other basis than "Brits Out".
     
  9. Takhisis

    Takhisis Winnie the Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    So vote for Sinn Féin in Northern Ireland and for Fine Gael/Labour in the rest of the Emerald isle, take your pick.
     
  10. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    Fianna Fail

    I assume it's an Irish name (though I'd assume most of the party doesn't speak Irish) but it seems to be a very apt name for this election.
     
  11. really

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    There were some unionists elected just after independence I think but nothing since then.

    I haven't decided exactly how I am going to vote yet - will probably vote FG.
     
  12. Arwon

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    Personally I'm quite fond of ZanuFF, which I've seen Fianna Fail called on twitter.
     
  13. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    This election is going to be interesting to see what happens in the aftermath of the bailout.
     
  14. RedRalph

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    I know that seems hilarious to everyone outside Ireland, but the meme has got nowhere here as it is pronounced "FEEnah FOYLE", and translates as 'Soldiers of Destiny'. who you voting for, really & shek (and anyone else who can)?
     
  15. Deego3

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    I'm in the same constituency as you RedRalph. I can't vote myself since I'm not yet 18, but I would have voted for Eamon Ryan of the Greens (I'm one of the 1% of voters who still likes them), followed by Nicola Curry of ULA and Alex White of Labour.
     
  16. RedRalph

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    I think Alan Shatter will do well Deego... did you hear Micheal Martin was in the town centre today?
     
  17. Deego3

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    Alan Shatter will do well, as will Olivia Mitchell and FG in general. I'm not to keen on Micheal Martin. I think FF party sacrificed Brian Cowen, just so they have a greater chance of keeping thier own seats. And then they get a minister for the past 13 years to try and convince us they they have new ideas on how to run the country.
     
  18. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    @RedRalph: I recall saying that the FF/FG dominance is probably going to collapse over the course of the next generation. Do you think we'll see any hint of that in the upcoming election, or is it still too early days?
     
  19. RedRalph

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    I think FG and FF will likely merge at some point, there is no real difference now and the civil war fighters are looooooooong gone... but yeah, generally the country is moving towards more of a left/right split.

    On the televised debate that was just on, I think Martin shaded it. Gilmore was too polite.
     
  20. holy king

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    is sin fein electable from a socialist pov?
     

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