Iron and Blood - Game Thread

[arya126]

So your too scared to take on Boj China by yourself? Isnt Xian strong enough? I mean, you own half of asia. You need your buddies in order to take down this little rump commie state?

 

[Joecoolyo]

So your too scared to take on Boj China by yourself? Isnt Xian strong enough? I mean, you own half of asia. You need your buddies in order to take down this little rump commie state?

No, I would like not to goddamn fall behind in the industrialization scene and lose all my cores, BECAUSE THAT RULE ALSO DECIDED TO UPDATE.

That, and extreme GM bias against me. In the entire time kiwitt has been GM, I haven't had a single good event, except once when I got a hundred culture points (woo), and now he's taking away my cores, dumping an entire state within my borders, and not allowing my allies to declare war? What is this?? What have I done wrong???

 

[momo1000]

In response to Southern Han declaring war on our comrade Tawantisuyo, the People's Republic of Gran Colombia declares war on Southern Han.

That, and extreme GM bias against me. In the entire time kiwitt has been GM, I haven't had a single good event, except once when I got a hundred culture point (woo), and now he's taking away my cores, dumping an entire state within my borders, and not allowing my allies to declare war? What is this?? What have I done wrong???

I haven't had a "good" event either. The only event I have had was when Yellow Fever struck Guiana.

 

[Joecoolyo]

You're not allies, you can't declare war.

If you can this entire system is screwed beyond belief.

 

[momo1000]

All of us are in the Commintern Alliance

 

[Joecoolyo]

Yes, and I'm in the ATK. Yet my allies can't declare war.

 

[momo1000]

That's fair enough. I will only declare on Southern Han then.

 

[Joecoolyo]

For what? They apparently can't declare war on Boj China, and it's past the deadline for other DOW. That is unless kiwitt comes to his senses and accepts an agreed upon DOW.

 

[momo1000]

Xi'An declared on Boj, Peru declared on Xi'An, Han declared on Peru, I declare on Han.

When Han declared war on Peru, I could declare because I am allies with Peru (I think that's how DoWs work, not sure)

 

[Joecoolyo]

Which doesn't make any sense because all of those were apparently past the deadline.

If they weren't, then why weren't my allies able to declare war on Boj? This is all becoming godawful confusing and contrived.

 

[Red_Spy]

Look, at thought it was all three of you declaring war, so I declared war on all three. If would have known just you did, I wouldn't have declared war on the others.

 

[Joecoolyo]

It wasn't just me declaring war, my DOW included all of us. So your DOW makes sense, what doesn't make sense is that your allies apparently get extended time to confirm a DOW yet mine don't.

 

[arya126]

Momo, you could declare war on Xian for attacking Boj, but not on han for attacking peru, since han is not able to do so since it was past the deadline.

Really guys, just chill out until Kiwitt makes a ruling.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Why can momo declare yet Han can't? Both are allies of nations being an aggressor.

 

[arya126]

It wasn't just me declaring war, my DOW included all of us. So your DOW makes sense, what doesn't make sense is that your allies apparently get extended time to confirm a DOW yet mine don't.

Yours was a 'new' declaration, while their allies are declaring war in response to yours. They cannot declare war on them for attacking you, because you initiated the chain of DoWs.

Ah, screw it.

WAIT UNTIL KIWITT GETS ONLINE AND RESPONDS TO ARGUE GUYS. THIS IS POINTLESS AND EXTREMEYLY CONFUSING TO ALL OF US.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Yours was a 'new' declaration, while their allies are declaring war in response to yours. They cannot declare war on them for attacking you, because you initiated the chain of DoWs.

Ah, screw it.

WAIT UNTIL KIWITT GETS ONLINE AND RESPONDS TO ARGUE GUYS. THIS IS POINTLESS AND EXTREMEYLY CONFUSING TO ALL OF US.

But they should be able to declare war on the person I was DOWing on! And apparently alliances don't include defensive pacts according to kiwitt, so the second chain of DOW is also an aggressive action.

And yes, I would love if kiwitt came on and explained his strange reasoning behind snubbing me and boosting my enemies.

 

[BSmith1068]

King Mswati was having trouble sleeping. He kept tossing and turning, and was having very vivid yet strange dreams. He dreamt that one of his allies was being attacked, yet there was much confusion about the reasons. He couldn’t quite figure out what happened next, but he awoke about half an hour later in a sweat. He clearly recalled declaring war in support of his ally, but the rest was somewhat fuzzy. Who had he declared on? And why exactly? Perhaps he would figure it all out in the morning.

 

[arya126]

Why can momo declare yet Han can't? Both are allies of nations being an aggressor.

No they arent. Only YOU are the aggressor. Now, if Kiwitt decides to let you speak for the ATK, then the whole of the ATK would be considered the aggressor. The ideal outcome right now would be thus in my view:

ATK is at war with Boj China, Peru, Gran Colombia.

The reasoning behind that outcome is thus:

Kiwitt accepts that the whole of the ATK declared war, Peru declares war on the ATK in response, Gran Colombia declares war on the ATK in response as well. Hans DoW is invalid due to them already being in the war, so is the Swazis due to their 'ally' being the aggressor and not being the one attacked in the first place, only by a response DoW, which the Swazis are not allowed to respond to.

And alternate outcome would be this:

Xian is at war with Boj, Peru, and Gran Colombia.

The reasoning here is:

Only Xian officially declared war during the first phase. Due to Gran Colombia and Peru being allies of Boj China, they DoW Xian in a response DoW. Han is invalid because they cannot do a response DoW to another response DoW, and they ran out of time to perform a 'new' DoW on any of the nations involved. Peru only attacks Xian because they only 'said' they were attacking the ATK because they were under the false impression that the whole ATK was involved in the war. Swazis are invalid because their ally is the aggressor, not the defendant in the original DoW.

In the barest of terms, there are two types of DoWs: A 'new' DoW, and a 'response' DoW. The first 48 hours are the limit for new ones, while response DoWs can come any time after a 'new' one, up to the 48 hours after the 'new' period has ended.

If the aggressor (Xian) attacks a country(Boj) and that country allies (GC and Peru) make a response DoW against the aggressor (Xian), then that is it. Allies of the aggressor CANNOT make a response DoW in response to an actual 'response' DoW. That would mean that the Swazis, Siam, and Han could not join in the war until next turn.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Isn't every DOW a response DOW? Hell, I can claim that my DOW on Boj is a response because they actually stole my land. I had land in Sinkiang, and Han had land in Shanghai. We're responding to that land being stolen by declaring war. And instead of spamming up the thread (which kiwitt seems to want, going by his rules) we all DOW in one post.

In fact, I can claim our entire war is defensive because of that. Boj declared war on us first by literally stealing land that we paid for with IC's. If that's not an DOW, then what the hell is?

 

[Tecknojock]

actually Boj does have allies. They're part of the Communist alliance group thingy. Oh and the same failure for allies to confirm happened to the UNA as well.

EDIT I didn't realize the argument had fallen onto another page when I posted.

A response DOW is a DOW to assist an ally who was declared war upon by another country.