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Iroquois pathfinder in forest

Discussion in 'Community Patch Project' started by saamohod, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. saamohod

    saamohod Chieftain

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    My Iroquois pathfinder has the following attributes:

    1. Ignores terrain cost as a pathfinder unit.
    2. According to my civ's UA all units ignore terrain cost in forest and jungle. He's stationed in a forest tile.
    3. Has Woodsman I promotion that gives him double movement rate through forest.
    4. Has Trailblazer I promotion that gives him double movement in jungle or forest.

    According to all the stuff mentioned above my pathfinder should be dashing through forests like lightning. I can't even imagine how many tiles of forest he should be able to cross in a single turn.
    In practice though he is only able to move 3 tiles across forest tiles.

    Funny thing, he actually has the same speed as a freshly spawned un-promoted warrior.

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    P.S. I've just discovered this bug was mentioned a while ago https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/the-iroquois.550965/page-6
     
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  2. Owlbebach

    Owlbebach Warlord

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    He is a pathfinder, not a monkey!
     
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  3. saamohod

    saamohod Chieftain

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    Why an Iroquois pathfinder can't be a monkey but a Russian one can, despite only having Trailblazer I promotion?

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    EDIT: Also why can the Russian pathfinder move 4 tiles down as shown on the first screenshot, but can only move 3 to the left (second screenshot)? The tiles should be of equal value to him.

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    EDIT2: What's even funnier is that after I skip one turn the scout is now able to move 4 tiles to the left instead of 3 the turn before. What's happened? There definitely seems to be an inconsistency here.
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  4. CrazyG

    CrazyG Warlord

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    I think was is happening is that the forest as roads feature is overriding the other effects.
     
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  5. pza

    pza Chieftain

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    there might have been a barb standing 1-4-4 or 7-4-4, reducing the movement by its zone of control.
     
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  6. pineappledan

    pineappledan Warlord

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    The forest movement interacts strangely with your borders.

    Your comparison with a warrior isn’t fair, because the pathfinder is starting outside your free road system UA, and your warrior is starting 2 tiles inside your roads. Nothing is bugging out; you’ve just failed to grasp how the Iroquois UA works is all.

    Regardless, why are you even getting trailblazer I on a unit that already gets double move in forest? Just go down the survivalism line
     
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  7. saamohod

    saamohod Chieftain

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    Because I expected him to be able to move at least 4 tiles in forests as any other pathfinder with Trailblaizer would do. Alas it turns out that Iroquois can't reach such speeds, that's my whole point.
     
  8. chicorbeef

    chicorbeef Warlord

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    I don't think double movement in Forests from Woodsman/Trailblazer I stack.
     
  9. pineappledan

    pineappledan Warlord

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    They don’t. Double movement is a single true/false value. This is also why double move on hills and forests don’t stack when you move through a forest hill.

    The problem arises because Iroquois scout line is the only one that I know of that can get a doubleMove=true for the same featureType.
     
  10. Rekk

    Rekk Chieftain

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    Iroquois pathfinders without trailblazer do not have 4 moves in forest, nor do pathfinders with trailblazer.

    It's unintuitive, and if I hadn't forgotten about it after posting and waiting for any responses, I would have reported it as a bug.
     
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