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Is Britain about to leave the EU?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Mega Tsunami, Jan 17, 2016.

  1. Mega Tsunami

    Mega Tsunami Chieftain

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    Is Britain about to leave the EU?

    According to a poll in today’s Mail on Sunday, there is a 53-47 lead for those wanting to leave the EU.



    Britain is due to have a referendum on whether we should remain in the EU or not. It must be held by 2017, but the latest estimate is that we could have it as early as this June. I suspect if polls continue this way Cameron will delay the poll as long as possible.

    He has been negotiating some special terms for Britain regarding control of the movement of some migrants, an opt-out from the ‘ever closer union’ clause, various guarantees to protect non-Euro members, and not allowing welfare for immigrants for the first few years.

    It appears some sort of agreement might be reached at an EU meeting in February. I wonder how this poll will affect the negotiations – will they give us all we want (which let’s face it is very small cheese) or will they say, there’s no point, just let Britain go?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sacre-Cologne-sex-attacks-migrant-crisis.html
     
  2. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    As a US citizen, I'm for it.
     
  3. ParkCungHee

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    Remember when Scotland had to stay in the UK to retain it's EU status?
     
  4. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    English votes will vote to leave, so the UK will. Which is good cause it will result in at least the scraping of the eurozone, although likely the coming world war would do that on its own anyway.
     
  5. Tolni

    Tolni have you walked on the stones of years

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    Remember when the Daily Mail was trusted? Yeah, me neither.

    Speaking of polls, an UK example: before the May elections, most of the people queried voted for very non-Tory choices. Now unless I'm going mad, I'm quite sure Cameron's the current PM in England.
     
  6. Lohrenswald

    Lohrenswald intelectual

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    If they left that would be great

    especially for Britain
     
  7. Mega Tsunami

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    In May the polls were indeed, very wrong and pointed to a hung parliament. They have only recently finished analysing why they were so wrong and it appears they didn’t get to speak to a proper sample of Tory voters (too busy working, not so interested in answering unsolicited phone calls etc….so the theory goes). If this poll is similarly wrong then there could be even more Leave votes as Conservatives tend to be more EU sceptics than Labour voters, for example.
     
  8. Mechanicalsalvation

    Mechanicalsalvation Politicus Correctosaurus

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    I think Britain will not leave EU becouse Scotland wants to stay. It will just desintegrate.
     
  9. GoodSarmatian

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    The EU counter offer during the negotiations should be for the UK to either lose the special privileges they already have or just leave.
    All they do is whine, complain, and side with the Americans every time there is some disagreement between the EU and US.
     
  10. Silurian

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    Scots in England could vote to leave the EU so that Scotland can vote to leave the UK again.
     
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    Sounds like somebody better leave...

    Meanwhile in Poland the press has come under tighter state control (again?), prompting a EU warning. (You know, concerning those 'common values' the EU is supposed to share.) Prompting an acid response from Poland's responsible minister.

    Things are going really well for the EU, it seems.
     
  12. Mega Tsunami

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    I doubt if much notice will be taken in England as to Scotland’s position in the UK when voting for this referendum. Because of the price of oil and how well the SNP are doing in Westminster I see no chance of Scotland voting to leave the UK (especially as Spain would block them joining the EU anyway).

    Very, very few Scots living in England want Scottish independence.
     
  13. Kyriakos

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    Current Spanish politics are not allowing for such a veto move, though, considering the dynamics in their own parliament..
     
  14. Verbose

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    If the EU didn't actually stand for anything, it wouldn't be opposed on those things. There would be no need.

    It's like Churchill said: Have you got enemies? Good! That proves that at some point you took a stand for something.

    So the problem isn't that the EU doesn't represent certain values, but that there are significant amounts of people and forces inside Europe that oppose these. Rather strenously. (Like the current Hungarian and Polish governments, who'd rather do away with democracy and the kind of free and open society that in particular the UK and US have stood as representatives of.)

    And it's opposition of a different nature than the British skepticism towards Europe. Except these forces are part of what has traditionally kept the UK skeptical about Europe.

    Question rather seems to be if people have actually thought through why the oppose the EU here? Whether they want it to succeed to overcome certain things, or fail, to possibly prove some kind of point?:scan:
     
  15. Mechanicalsalvation

    Mechanicalsalvation Politicus Correctosaurus

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    Not soo good actually...
     
  16. Mega Tsunami

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    We don’t just whine, complain and side with the Americans. We also pay about £10bn (€13bn) net into the EU every year. Second only to you lot.
     
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    Everybody pays in proportion to their wealth. That's just what a ommunity does. The UK is the only member to get a rebate which was negotiated by Thatcher.
    A good starting point in the coming negotiations would be to make "you lot" pay the full membership fee if you want to stay in the club.
     
  18. Silurian

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    Internally within the UK, as in all countries, different regions are having a net gain or loss. I wonder if any region of the UK has a net loss of more than £10bn to the rest of the UK.
     
  19. Mega Tsunami

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    And what do we get for our £10bn? Not a lot is the answer. Germany seems to think they must continue paying reparations for something that happened 70 years ago (which is ridiculous) and if it makes you happy then you just go on and on, paying and paying. It doesn’t mean we should.

    Having said that, the money side of things is as nothing to a much wider question about a lack of democracy in the EU and that ‘ever close union’ clause. They matter about 10bn times more than money.
     
  20. Silurian

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    Some parts of the UK contribute far more to the rest of the UK than £10bn.
    What does London and the Southeast get for the money they give to the rest of the UK.


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