Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Verbose]

For the benefit of the other people reading this: hogwash, the EU is controlled by ordoliberal politicans and bureaucrats - the "market" is always right and it is the state's job to enforce the "will of the market"... creating it if necessary!

Nothing particularly market about "Ordoliberalismus".

 

[Godwynn]

This will finally end the Euros saying they have a larger economy than the United States.

Not for long.

 

[Tahuti]

Nothing particularly market about "Ordoliberalismus".

Those ordoliberals do seem to be boring old white dudes with a German accent, though.

 

[Godwynn]

Well, that's hardly specific to Gibraltar, though :

What fun!

Young Brits, will you continue to have your future ruined by people who won't have to live with their decision for very long?

Good luck trying to re-enter the EU, if it is still around, in 20 years once the super-olds die off.

 

[Kyriakos]

^The Eu being around in 20 years also sounds like something an 18 year old would concoct

 

[Cheetah]

Most likely, the EU will be able to reform itself, now that the UK brakes are not hindering it. Then, the UK can rejoin in 20 years time or so.

The EU is good and necessary, but it also desperately needs some reforms to give it greater legitimacy.

 

[Mount Suribachi]

Well, that's hardly specific to Gibraltar, though :

One of the things that disturbs me most about this forum is its dismissal of older voters - in the other EU thread there was even a comment about "can't wait for those old voters to die". The same comments were made after the Scottish referendum. Everyone's vote is equally valuable, just as everyone's priorities and circumstances are different. EDIT: Even as I was typing, someone else was calling for people they disagreed with to die so that they can get what they want. Seriously dude, you need to step back and listen to what you're saying.

The other way to look at it, is that those 50+ voters who are in favour of leaving are the very same voters who voted in the 70s to join the EU!!! They've had 40 years of the EU, and they've decided they don't like what its become. The comment I've heard again and again and again from my parents generation is along the lines of "it was supposed to be a loose economic and political union, not a pan-European superstate ruled by Germany and France". If that was what it still was, they would have voted remain (and so would I), but it isn't. For the sake of the rest of Europe I hope that Brexit gives the EU the shock it needs to stop its relentless pursuit of "ever-closer-union" but given the comments that have already come out this morning it looks like the opposite is true

 

[Arakhor]

Only those in their 60s could possibly have voted to join the EEC, assuming that minors weren't allowed to vote. It was 40-odd years ago.

 

[Godwynn]

Independence for Gibraltar!

 

[Kyriakos]

Independence for Gibraltar!

Into the caring arms of Spain

 

[luiz]

Those ordoliberals do seem to be boring old white dudes with a German accent, though.

You expected non-white old dudes with German accent? And what does age, skin color or accent have to do with anything?

 

[luiz]

One of the things that disturbs me most about this forum is its dismissal of older voters - in the other EU thread there was even a comment about "can't wait for those old voters to die". The same comments were made after the Scottish referendum. Everyone's vote is equally valuable, just as everyone's priorities and circumstances are different. EDIT: Even as I was typing, someone else was calling for people they disagreed with to die so that they can get what they want. Seriously dude, you need to step back and listen to what you're saying.

The other way to look at it, is that those 50+ voters who are in favour of leaving are the very same voters who voted in the 70s to join the EU!!! They've had 40 years of the EU, and they've decided they don't like what its become. The comment I've heard again and again and again from my parents generation is along the lines of "it was supposed to be a loose economic and political union, not a pan-European superstate ruled by Germany and France". If that was what it still was, they would have voted remain (and so would I), but it isn't. For the sake of the rest of Europe I hope that Brexit gives the EU the shock it needs to stop its relentless pursuit of "ever-closer-union" but given the comments that have already come out this morning it looks like the opposite is true

Well I understand the frustration of people in the labor market with decades to live being forced into a potentially catastrophic recession by retired geriatrics with a short horizon.

BUT... you're quite right that the dismissive if not outright hateful tone that the mainstream, in particular leftist elites, has treated some pretty big demographics (old people, poor white people, etc), is a big reason for the "populist insurgency" in Europe, of which Brexit is just one manifestation.

 

[Godwynn]

Donald Trump is celebrating the Brexit vote. He should replace David Cameron.

 

[Snorrius]

Hooray! My congratulations, England!

Now you go Trump! I expect no less from you!

 

[Kyriakos]

Make a wish upon a falling star?

Btw, Trump is not a good option. I would not be voting for him if i was eligible to take part in that election, regardless of Hillary not being a good option either.

 

[Verbose]

Those ordoliberals do seem to be boring old white dudes with a German accent, though.

The Epitome of Financial Probity has been marked down as "die schwabishce Hausfrau"...

 

[Snorrius]

Btw, Trump is not a good option. I would not be voting for him if i was eligible to take part in that election, regardless of Hillary not being a good option either.

But Hillary will make America ridiculous again. While Trump is hell-bent to make it fun .

 

[Bast]

Make a wish upon a falling star?

Time for Scotland to rise and take that spot.

 

[Akka]

For the benefit of the other people reading this: hogwash, the EU is controlled by ordoliberal politicans and bureaucrats - the "market" is always right and it is the state's job to enforce the "will of the market"... creating it if necessary!

The EU is "controlled" by the sum of the 28 governments which are part of it. There is no some kind of Illuminati puppeting them into following some conspiracy garbage. If you are unhappy with how they govern, elect new ones. All members of the EU are democracies, if people aren't happy with how they are ruled, they can vote for different candidates.

But it's easier to be a populist clown trying to paint oneself as fighting the good fight against the Evil Bureaucracy, obviously. A scarecrow certainly can't fight back.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

It was overwhelmingly the members of the Tory party who campaigned to leave, but it was overwhelmingly Labour voters that voted to leave. I am not sure what this says about the political landscape in the coming years.

I think it says that, despite so many people trying to make it so, this was never really a party political issue.