Is Casimir the new Hiawatha?

[Evie94]

Remember before BNW, in Vanilla and GNK, when Hiawatha as the God of the AI? Of course you do, none of us will ever forget the psychotic city spam.

Is Casimir the BNW version of that? And just overall best AI? Whenever he's in the game, he's either threatening to run away or actually running away and I have to drag him back.

A couple of games ago, I was Arabia in North America, started out in roughly Seattle and basically created an Arabia over where the USA is (with Polynesia as Canada), 6-7 City States in Central America and Carthage and the Mongols murdering each other for South America.

By the end of the game, Casimir controlled Asia. All of it. In real world borders, from Israel up to Moscow across to Japan down to the northern edge of Indonesia and across to Israel, from his starting base in India.

He took down Wu, Nebby, Augustus, Lizzy and was getting fairly stuck in to Pedro when I won a Diplo Victory, which was pretty easy, as everyone was pretty good friends with me, even Casimir. I didn't go to war once but Casimir owned over 60% of the population.

In the game I'm currently playing, as Assyria, I sail across to the Americas and see.....Casimir controls all of South America, Central America and is starting on Texas, currently controlled by Sweden.

So, is he the best AI?

 

[Hpuk]

In my games this has been the case so far. He does really well, unless he starts next to me of course.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Last game I had, Poland was just a relatively average civ until the very end when, ironically enough, Casimir and Hiawatha both carved up the English and turned their attention to destroy Austria. Since the only roadblock to my cultural victory was the English, I thanked them heartily and burned a Great Musician in their territory before they decided to go after me.

In short, I never particularly noticed it prior, but I don't usually pay attention to those things. I will say that his actions were impressive for an archipelago map (Oceania map).

 

[Enrico Swagolo]

Casimir is one of the most dangerous leaders for sure.

He either dies early and feeds someone else into running away, or lives long enough to see himself become the biggest runaway in the game.

I'd say Hiawatha is similar in dangerousness, but he's way more arrogant and annoying.

 

[DWilson]

It depends who spawns next to. I had him spawn next to Shaka, and he struggled to maintain relevance after Shaka's ceaseless raids. They swapped ownership of Polish cities throughout the game. Shaka, though, also conquered others as well, so was doing much better than Poland.

 

[EK834]

The AI is fairly good with it.

I've seen super tall Casimir, super wide Casimir, I've-conquered-half-the-world Casimir, cultural monster Casimir.... the AI can do a lot of things with it.

The only times he sucked in my games is when he failed with his start, eg: went Liberty when he stood between Hiawatha, Pocatello and Bismark who took all the land (and horses) fast.

I suspect that like the human it's the versality of Poland that makes the AI strong with it.

 

[Sir Parker II]

I recently played against Casimir on a continents map, I found him on the other continent and he had settled nearly half of it himself and was terrorizing Austria and some city states for the rest of it. Extreme runaway Casimir is scary

Edit: Apparently he had also conquered his Spanish and American Neighbors.

 

[Jon the Bastard]

He wasn't as aggressive as he seems to be post fall patch. I just finished a match with him in it. It was a continents map, I was playing as Japan (first time since fall patch). I shared a continent with William, Casimir, and Alexander. I took out William and controlled half of the continent. Casimir took out Alexander and controlled half of the continent. He was friends with me, backstabbed me three times (even though we had the same religion and ideology!!!!!!!!!). I eventually won a science victory, but toward the end of the game he declared war on Spain and Germany on the other continent, at the same time!

He's crazy! And the way he waves his scepter when he declares war. Makes me want to beat his face in!

 

[OneRedBlock]

In my current game, he has 56% science. I've got 50%, and most of the AIs have 48%.

I fear him greatly.

 

[Vitruvius]

In my games he is usually unlucky to spawn tundra and get cornered. Hiawatha is still a beast ai for me, so is pocatello.

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[Jon the Bastard]

[...] so is pocatello.

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This. Pocatello is always in beast mode.

 

[Navelgazer]

I've generally seen him do well, yeah. In the one game where he was a rival, though, I was playing as Assyria, we were early neighbors, and his hatred of my warmongering kept his production focused on futile attempts to stop me during Assyria's peak era, instead of on settlers and workers, so he didn't run away with land-grabbing.

 

[Barghaest]

Meh, he may runaway a bit... but his combat strategy sucks in most of my games. When I fought him a few games back (we were friends since the start but he turned on me later in the game because I was warmongering - it was a fair cop, I wanted the game to end and at that point domination was the quickest route) all he had - apart from naval and air units - was artillery, winged hussars and a few GWI... no cavalry, no tanks, no GGs/MGs just hordes of hussars and a few artillery/GWI thrown in.

His naval forces fell quickly to my more experienced but significantly smaller navy (I'd already destroyed Austria to XP them up) leaving him with air units which generally did suicide runs vs mine (I just had mine on intercept for the most part and they decimated his air power). His poorly balanced land forces didn't last very long against mine (I used a mix of every unit type available, with my highest concentration being GWI while his was Hussar - which were quite useless against my landships).

 

[Naudilent]

I met him recently scrunched between Greece and the Netherlands, with to the west. I cajoled Alex into DOWing him early, and they kept at it until I took out Greece then Casimir. Neither got to do a lot, but in most other games he expands anywhere and everywhere. Half a world away from the capital on a pangaea? No problem!

 

[ArguCa]

No, but he's so close. Anyway, he is a dangerous enemy.

 

[jasper]

sounds like some people haven't finished the philosophy tech yet

 

[Reus]

Yes, in most of my games Casimir is always a power and threat to anyone around him.
At Empire Building I say, based on what I have seen,
Hiawata and Casimir is the best, followed by Gustavus plus
sometimes Pachacuti and Alexander;
While for military conquest, Genghis Khan and Shaka somehow always succeed.

In addition, terrible Empire Building awards should go to Wu Zetian and Catherine.
While, Failing Horribly at Conquering should go to: Attila the Hun (Ironic isn't it?)

Wu Zetian and Catherine usually suck because they spent time chasing their cultural goals and chasing for wonders. They usually succeed in the beginning, but in the long term they are hindered from constructing cities and were eventually left behind in the Tech Race. I rarely see either Catherine or Wu having more than 3 cities.

While Attila's AI seem to be designed to conduct early conquests. The problem is their conquests often fail badly, they have built themselves the largest army in early era, destroying their economy and making them fall behind in the tech race, but yet their army building only paid off by usually less than 2 cities conquered.

It often leaves them as a backward state that still uses camel archers and composite bowmen while others have muskets and cannons.

 

[Memoryjar]

Casimir is nearly always a friend.
Hiawatha is still Hiawatha, but a few weeks ago I met Washington. Since he walks on the wild side.

 

[Ninakoru]

Casimir is OP, both in AI and Player hands. Shaka usually is unstopable for the AI.

New OP civs, thats it.

 

[Strategist83]

Maybe a custom title would be in order? Henceforth, regardless of what social policies Polands picks, you'll always be "Casimir the Beast of Poland".