PrincepsAmerica
Nothingness made flesh
Terrible op, not even worth the time people are taking to respond to it.
Is Communism Right?...
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Diverse in Unity
Where are you from?
I am just a little bit tired of teenagers who grew up in stable Western democracies, who say that communism is fine. You know what? You have no damn idea what kind of evil it was.
I am just a little bit tired of teenagers who grew up in stable Western democracies, who say that communism is fine. You know what? You have no damn idea what kind of evil it was.
greenpeace
Peacelord
Do you think I support the type of communist economies of the past? I for one certainly think they are cruel and evil and were some of the worst governments ever created in the history of humankind. However, I do think that it has a chance. I think if we have revolutionary new forms of communism in which there are even more political freedoms and civil rights than western democracies have these days, than it at least has a chance.Winner said:
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greenpeace said:
Communism is, by definition, undemocratic when applied to the whole society. You can't change that.
It can work in a small group of devout communists, who are willing to surrender their individual interests.
But it can't work in the whole society. People are egoists, get over it. In order for communism to work, you'd need different humans.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I don't mind it that much. It's healthy for teens to play around with some outlandish political philosophies at a young age. I know I played with some ideas I'm not too proud of. When they turn 18 though and they still spout this gibbersish, then I worry.Winner said:
colontos
King
Commodore said:
Well, to be fair, he could have been referring to Napoleon III.
I doubt he knew that, though.
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Perfection said:
Yeah, I know it is a part of the process of becoming mature, but it is still amusing.
When I was young, we made fun of commies on our every step, we parodied their revolutionary speeches, wore red shirts and so on. When I think about it, I've hated them all my life
Perfection
The Great Head.
Communism may have nice motives, but it has limited ability to function well as an economic system and has to resort to heavy handed tactics to eliminate free-market tendencies.
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taillesskangaru said:
What's so great on the idea that state should exterminate the rich, steal their property and give it to the poor? What's so great on the idea that unqualified people should run businesses? What's so great on the idea that people shouldn't have a right to do what's in their best interest?
I am sick of that "communism is great, only the communists were bad". Was the nazism also such a great idea discredited by the power-corrupt dictator?
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taillesskangaru said:
Oh-my-Gods
Communism failed because it took away people's freedom and forced them to do things they didn't like.
I'd very much like to see you being a member of a society going through such "transformation". I doubt you'd like it, you know.
So your pro-communism points are as following:
- Because the USSR was 'communist,' Hitler failed.
- The USA is the root cause of Viet'nam.
- The USA took the side of the non-communist parties in civil wars and is now creating a civil war in Iraq.
- China has a REALLY BIG population and is linked to Walmart.
- Because communism supresses religion this would stop people from fighting for their religion.
- Communism ensures citizens are not empowered.
- No one could be gay
You sir, are next Marx.
PS: communism doesn't ban gay people. Soviet Russia was one of the first countries in the world to decriminilize homosexuality -- though to be fair, Stalin did recriminilize it later as part of his 'family values' campaign.
- Because the USSR was 'communist,' Hitler failed.
- The USA is the root cause of Viet'nam.
- The USA took the side of the non-communist parties in civil wars and is now creating a civil war in Iraq.
- China has a REALLY BIG population and is linked to Walmart.
- Because communism supresses religion this would stop people from fighting for their religion.
- Communism ensures citizens are not empowered.
- No one could be gay
You sir, are next Marx.
PS: communism doesn't ban gay people. Soviet Russia was one of the first countries in the world to decriminilize homosexuality -- though to be fair, Stalin did recriminilize it later as part of his 'family values' campaign.
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Communism failed because it took away people's freedom and forced them to do things they didn't like.
I'd very much like to see you being a member of a society going through such "transformation". I doubt you'd like it, you know.
Basic idea of communism is 1) abolishment of private property. This can be gradual or sudden. 2) classless society. 3) people working together for common good. Apart from that it depends on what brand of communism you follow.
Also remember the climate in which communism was conceived. Communism was conceived at the time when corrupt and money obsessed capitalists live in mansions and their employees slave in factories and live in disease-infested slums.
Also note that I said Communism was a great idea, but I did not implied that it's "right". Like all great ideas, communism has its faults.
Edit: communism failed because its leader tried to transform their society too quickly. The problems associated with communism stems from there. The leaders wanted a quick transformation, so they took total control, restricted freedom and force people to live and work the communist way. And over time the total power corrupted them. Had the communist leaders of the early 20th century been more patient and instead tried to transform their society more slowly, then things may have turn out better.
MamboJoel
Cool.
garric said:
Amalgamating "liberals" in the US sense and so called communist dictatures is a flawed reasons to be a right wing extremist. That's a bit tortured indeed.
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Communism, just like any other extreme ideology is bad. Anyone who doesn't agree are either:
1) Crazy
2) Uneducated
1) Crazy
2) Uneducated
silver 2039
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Commounisim or the command economy is a corrupt, ineffeicent, unworkable system that is doomed to failure wherever and whenever it is implemented. Having finally begun studying economics this much I can say.
Specfically the way the command economy is set up is horrible. So the central government in Moscow basically says to the factory and buisness owners and tells them what to produce and how much of it to produce. For instance suppose a factory has the cpacity to maxamize production at a 1000 shoes or whatver, the factory owener will give the government planner a lower figure which he can easily excced such as 600, so when he excceds the figure the government pats him on the back and gives him a bonous which are awared based on quantaity rather than quality. As a result the market is filled with loads of crappy goods, what people actually want and need is not produced, and there are everpresent shortages, meanwhile while the people have to line up to get breads, the Commounist Party elite sip their vodka and eat their cavier. Pure commounisim and pure capitalisim are the worst systems in existence.
Specfically the way the command economy is set up is horrible. So the central government in Moscow basically says to the factory and buisness owners and tells them what to produce and how much of it to produce. For instance suppose a factory has the cpacity to maxamize production at a 1000 shoes or whatver, the factory owener will give the government planner a lower figure which he can easily excced such as 600, so when he excceds the figure the government pats him on the back and gives him a bonous which are awared based on quantaity rather than quality. As a result the market is filled with loads of crappy goods, what people actually want and need is not produced, and there are everpresent shortages, meanwhile while the people have to line up to get breads, the Commounist Party elite sip their vodka and eat their cavier. Pure commounisim and pure capitalisim are the worst systems in existence.
