Is Elon Musk a fraud?

[Ordnael]

Never cared for it, don't think I will ever care for X much either. Kinda enjoy the headlines his trolling rule of it makes though!

 

[Gorbles]

I take into account all that SpaceX has achieved I really don't feel right to call the man a fraud

Musk isn't responsible for SpaceX's achievements, if that helps.

 

[PhroX]

Musk isn't responsible for SpaceX's achievements, if that helps.

He does seem have a knack for getting other people to spend money on things he's involved with so that probably helped with SpaceX's achievements.

 

[Gorbles]

I'm happy to concede "helped", in the fiscal sense.

It's always funny to remember how there's a team at Tesla dedicated to keeping him away from the engineers. I wonder if there's a SpaceX equivalent.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Never cared for it, don't think I will ever care for X much either. Kinda enjoy the headlines his trolling rule of it makes though!

Like recognises like

 

[Voidwalkin]

The only time I've ever heard Musk speak was an interview in which he was brought to tears over prominent astronauts criticisms of SpaceX and his leadership.

I don't think his passion for space exploration is fraudulent, even if his ego is outsized.

 

[Gorbles]

The only time I've ever heard Musk speak was an interview in which he was brought to tears over prominent astronauts criticisms of SpaceX and his leadership.

I don't think his passion for space exploration is fraudulent, even if his ego is outsized.

My passion for alternatives to fossil fuels is genuine, and not fraudulent.

Does this mean I should be attributed with recognition for advancements in the field?

 

[sophie]

I'm happy to concede "helped", in the fiscal sense.

It's always funny to remember how there's a team at Tesla dedicated to keeping him away from the engineers. I wonder if there's a SpaceX equivalent.

There was:

ofc this is some rando, but this is also the same person who, upon taking over twitter, required devs print out their code on paper and bring it in for code review so it definitely scans to me.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Chechen leader drives gun-mounted Tesla truck, invites Musk to Russia

“I express my sincere gratitude to Elon Musk. This is, of course, the strongest genius of our time and a specialist. A great man,” Ramzan Kadyrov said

Kadyrov invited Musk to Grozny, saying he would be received as “my most dear guest”.

“I don’t think the Russian Foreign Ministry would mind such a trip,” he said.

I saw one of his trucks on the street today. It was way bigger than I thought it would be. Not very attractive. I think the early models will have some collector value in 25 years.

 

[aelf]

There was:
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ofc this is some rando, but this is also the same person who, upon taking over twitter, required devs print out their code on paper and bring it in for code review so it definitely scans to me.

To be fair, this is definitely not a culture unique to SpaceX. The same tricks would work on a lot of boomer management and people execute variations of them regularly.

 

[Takhisis]

if I take into account all that SpaceX has achieved

How can we forget the penis-shaped rockets that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos had built so that they could compete against one another?

 

[danjuno]

It's full of anti semites, transphobes and racists now

Always was, the Apartheid Trust Funder just rolled back previous management's bans on the ones that were less clever at hiding their "power level".

 

[Takhisis]

Was it OVER NINE THOUSAND?

 

[Voidwalkin]

My passion for alternatives to fossil fuels is genuine, and not fraudulent.

Does this mean I should be attributed with recognition for advancements in the field?

Pondered it. Lost in thought tonight. So the thing is, you can say that workers, those below, are primarily responsible for the success of almost any human endeavor involving groups with delegation of tasks.

It's true of every company I've worked for. You could say, just as accurately, that Macedonian phalangites and peltastoi were more responsible for the successful conquest of Persia than Alexander himself, even considering that his tactical direction is broadly considered very able.

Bridge at Tyre? Probably not his idea, and he certainly didn't build it. Probably picked it out from a list of options his engineers presented, who conferred with his logisticians to estimate practicality of a land of garbage, who conferred with the admiralty to estimate vulnerability of counterattack, who then checked with the captains regarding feasibility of assault under certain missile fire, etc.

I don't dispute the principle. It's interesting to me that whether this fact is applied to a leader is largely dependent on sympathy or lack thereof for the leader. George Washington was a poor tactician, an ideological void, and every good decision often credited to him was largely made by more talented thinkers beneath him... but good luck finding many Americans who agree.

Is Musk fraudulent? On SpaceX? If he is, it is only slightly more so than normal. I'd say he's a pretty average representative of how human leadership really works, and romanticization or criticism of that is kinda... meh. I dunno. I keep it real. He's a real leader of SpaceX in the way nearly every human being leads anything.

 

[Oerdin]

It's full of anti semites, transphobes and racists now

That is demonstrably untrue. There are as a great video of a supposed "journalist" making this fake propaganda claim and when Elon asks him for an example the propagandist repeatedly failed to do so. Heck, GARM got sued and completely shut down because they knew they were an illegal cartel under U.S. law that was pumping this nonsense propaganda and illegally trying to harm X for political reasons.

The whole reason GARM shut down just two days after getting served with the lawsuit by X and Rumble was an attempt to avoid discovery which would have proved that it was just a political campaign based upon lies.

 

[Samson]

The whole reason GARM shut down just two days after getting served with the lawsuit by X and Rumble was an attempt to avoid discovery which would have proved that it was just a political campaign based upon lies.

If this is true, the entities who are being lied to, and presumably believing the lies, are the largest corporations in the world. Do you really believe they are so gullible to be fooled by lies you see through to their financial detriment?

 

[Oerdin]

One thing is for certain, Twitter has been in ruins since Musk took over.

Why would you say that? Their number of users is at record levels.

If this is true, the entities who are being lied to, and presumably believing the lies, are the largest corporations in the world. Do you really believe they are so gullible to be fooled by lies you see through to their financial detriment?

I doubt anyone believed the lies and certainly not the companies in question. I think they did believe that they would be next if they stepped out of line. When you have government officials threatening to harm their businesses if they don't do what they are told executives will often just shut up because they don't want to be the next target.

In any event it is wonderful that a politically motivated censorship cartel which controlled around 98% of online ad revenue was shut down and forced to close its doors. It was obviously anti-competitive, anti-free market, as well as extremely harmful to society to let such a small group have so much leverage over free speech and expression. Not to mention it was grossly illegal under existing U.S. law.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

That is demonstrably untrue. There are as a great video of a supposed "journalist" making this fake propaganda claim and when Elon asks him for an example the propagandist repeatedly failed to do so. Heck, GARM got sued and completely shut down because they knew they were an illegal cartel under U.S. law that was pumping this nonsense propaganda and illegally trying to harm X for political reasons.

The whole reason GARM shut down just two days after getting served with the lawsuit by X and Rumble was an attempt to avoid discovery which would have proved that it was just a political campaign based upon lies.

This is bull**** i can go on there right now and see people posting cartoons of trans people committing suicide, people posting condensed versions of the protocols of the elders of zion and users with racial slurs in their names

I don't care about garm and i don't care for your attempt to defend this slimy bigoted freak, who's website is being used to advocate for pograms in the uk

extremely harmful to society to let such a small group have so much leverage over free speech and expression.

You seem to think that unfettered hate speech isn't as harmful, which i guess says alot about you as a person

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[Samson]

I doubt anyone believed the lies and certainly not the companies in question. I think they did believe that they would be next if they stepped out of line. When you have government officials threatening to harm their businesses if they don't do what they are told executives will often just shut up because they don't want to be the next target.

In any event it is wonderful that a politically motivated censorship cartel which controlled around 98% of online ad revenue was shut down and forced to close its doors. It was obviously anti-competitive, anti-free market, as well as extremely harmful to society to let such a small group have so much leverage over free speech and expression. Not to mention it was grossly illegal under existing U.S. law.

If no one believed their "lies" then how did they control ad revenue?

GARM was an industry controlled PR org, not some shadowy puppet master. If them shutting down has any effect, it will be the public being slightly less informed on what the megacorps are doing, but I suspect that effect will be minimal at best.

 

[Arakhor]

Not to mention it was grossly illegal under existing U.S. law.

What are you basing that on? GARM was a voluntary initiative established five years ago. If it was so transparently illegal, why did Musk wait two whole years before even launching a lawsuit?