Is Elon Musk a fraud?

Is Elon Musk a fraud?

  • Yes, he is a fraud

    Votes: 46 69.7%
  • No, he isn't a fraud

    Votes: 20 30.3%

  • Total voters
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Ideally it needs to be constantly updated
This is definitely not ideal for a literal car that somebody has to drive, for a range of reasons that range from the effectively recreational to the incredibly critical.

"oh we just need to ensure due diligence" is magical thinking that doesn't meet the real-world. Especially for the amount of corners we already have seen Tesla cut.

More people have computers than cars (54% vs 12%)
My grandma has a computer. She does not know computers. Heck, my parents barely know anything and they use it for the business.
 
More people have computers than cars (54% vs 12%)
Source?

Dont doubt it, but curious how they determined this. Kids are people, they counted in this? (Kids more likely to have a computer than a car). Kids dont need to own the car to be driven wherever they need to go to by car. Some for elderly too old to drive themselves. And this gets into whether "have a ___" means owning it or merely having access to it.

Whats a 'computer' (is a phone a computer?, or this just laptops and desktops). 54% of adults having a phone is way too low. You count children in this stat then it makes more sense.
 
Exactly, now you’re getting it.

are you for real dude
He might be right. I mean, think about it. A lot of countries around the world have functional public transportation systems for both short and long range travel meaning that many people just don't need cars. Or if they do have a vehicle its going to be one per family. That sort of thing is pretty common to see over here in Europe. Indeed, the whole idea of everyone just having a driving license by default is very odd to us. Add to that the fact there are a lot of poor countries where a motor vehicle is a luxury not everyone can afford and you easily end up in the 1 vehicle for every 5+ people range.

Meanwhile even starving poor people in poorcountrystan at the end of the world have a mobile phone these days. Even North Korea has them! And those are basically handheld computers.
 
He might be right. I mean, think about it. A lot of countries around the world have functional public transportation systems for both short and long range travel meaning that many people just don't need cars. Or if they do have a vehicle its going to be one per family. That sort of thing is pretty common to see over here in Europe. Indeed, the whole idea of everyone just having a driving license by default is very odd to us. Add to that the fact there are a lot of poor countries where a motor vehicle is a luxury not everyone can afford and you easily end up in the 1 vehicle for every 5+ people range.

Meanwhile even starving poor people in poorcountrystan at the end of the world have a mobile phone these days. Even North Korea has them! And those are basically handheld computers.
Yeah, the point would be well taken if this wasn't a thread about the guy whose solution to the problem is "even *more* cars, and they're all "self-driving" and can plug in anywhere - well not, anywhere. But they can go really fast, because that's what's important." Like the only real solution to transportation at scale is scaling transportation, and unfortunately robotaxi is the very definition of an untested solution to that.
 
Yeah, the point would be well taken if this wasn't a thread about the guy whose solution to the problem is "even *more* cars, and they're all "self-driving" and can plug in anywhere - well not, anywhere. But they can go really fast, because that's what's important." Like the only real solution to transportation at scale is scaling transportation, and unfortunately robotaxi is the very definition of an untested solution to that.
As a software engineer by trade the idea of self driving automobiles frightens me. In my professional opinion we'd be safer off just going back to beast drawn carriages but having them drawn by actual demons from the pits of hell.
 
Even more people have two feet, so...
 
Yeah, the point would be well taken if this wasn't a thread about the guy whose solution to the problem is "even *more* cars, and they're all "self-driving" and can plug in anywhere - well not, anywhere. But they can go really fast, because that's what's important." Like the only real solution to transportation at scale is scaling transportation, and unfortunately robotaxi is the very definition of an untested solution to that.
He's a businessman not Gandhi, he's not trying to solve societies problems just make $ (and even more than making $ he wants attention hence acquiring twitter)
 
I'm glad we've circled back to "he's not actually an engineer" once again. Seems to be a law of a thread that in their haste to try to be Always Correct, they end up answering the question.

Which is to say: yes, Musk is a fraud.
 
Thread over!
 
lol but yeah, more people have mobile phones than grid electricity
Honestly I would not be surprised if this was the case. I mean North Korea has 69% of its people (nice) owning mobile phones. Can the same be said for ... food?

T'are strange times we live in, is all I am saying.
 
More people have computers than cars (54% vs 12%)
There are more rats than there are cars (at least 2 billion vs 1.4 billion) therefore we should have rats driving cars.

As a software engineer by trade the idea of self driving automobiles frightens me. In my professional opinion we'd be safer off just going back to beast drawn carriages but having them drawn by actual demons from the pits of hell.
I am also a software engineer and I agree with this message.
 
There are more rats than there are cars (at least 2 billion vs 1.4 billion) therefore we should have rats driving cars.
I'd honestly like to see what'd happen if we wired a rat head onto the controls of a car. It's natural instincts for self preservation combined with the fact rats are very intelligent and trainable might actually make for a decent driving brain. And its natural senses and sensory processing mechanism would be superior to anything we can cook up for a computer. So the potential is definitively there.

Of course, we might also end up with cars that home in on every cat that tries to cross the road with a vengeance... But I'd risk it for science.
 
It literally can’t be worse than neural networks.
 
I think we'll have to agree to differ on that one.
 
I'd honestly like to see what'd happen if we wired a rat head onto the controls of a car. It's natural instincts for self preservation combined with the fact rats are very intelligent and trainable might actually make for a decent driving brain. And its natural senses and sensory processing mechanism would be superior to anything we can cook up for a computer. So the potential is definitively there.

Of course, we might also end up with cars that home in on every cat that tries to cross the road with a vengeance... But I'd risk it for science.
Saw some science article yesterday about a goldfish who was wired up to drive their fishtank around

Neural networks are inevitable, people will eat them up, think about how desperate the average person is to share, attention wh0res will be broadcasting their lived experience direct into the brains of others for likes while everyone involved will have their brain probed and directly marketed to.
 
Neural networks are inevitable, people will eat them up, think about how desperate the average person is to share, attention wh0res will be broadcasting their lived experience direct into the brains of others for likes while everyone involved will have their brain probed and directly marketed to.
That's not what a neural network is. What you are describing is a brain machine interface. But we do agree that those are inevitable. I just can't wait to see all the weird and wonderful way they can be hacked.
 
Mental rape to go along with the old tried and true?
 
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