Is God using Trump to further His plan?

Hygro said:
Why isn’t Hawkins nor Hitchenson an agent of God, similarly? Why isn’t God working mysteriously through their atheism?
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Playing for the other team so to speak, but God allows it.

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Romans 8:28

My faith has been greatly amplified through those two, I keep a copy of The God Delusion on my bookcase or my desk. Milquetoast devotionals serve me poorly. I really only began to grow in the faith when I engaged things like this. But I don't debate.

What can't God use to his purpose?
 
Takhisis said:
Uhm, Birdjaguar, the whole argument by Core Imposter seems to be that Donald Trump is ultimately in the right because divine justice prevails over mere human justice and that since he is doing God's work he should be released, cleared, etc. or simply disregard any rulings.
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Absolutely not my thinking. I will have to be less cryptic.
 
Birdjaguar said:
And yet millions more children die of malnutrition, disease, illness and god does nothing? He has had 2000 years to fix that. How many of those "saved babies" know lives of neglect and pain and are never even saved? How do you know whom god chooses for their work?
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Yep, but that is because God's ways are mysterious you know. Christian (and most religions) universal solution. In most legal systems however God would be imprisoned by gross negligence.

So if God exists I hope He has at least a good extenuating circumstance.
 
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Remorseless1 said:
Let's assume there is an omnipresent deity. Let's further assume the 66 books of the Bible were actually produced by men who were conduits for their deity. Why would God favor the virulently anti-religion People's Republic of China? The PRC is tolerant of gays and pro-abortion (remember the one child policy?). But they don't appear to have the internal bickering the US does. So why dies God favor the Uyghur-hating commies?
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Because Xi Jingping has the mandate of heaven, duh.
 
Core Imposter said:
Now, I did not start this thread, this might be a little like grabbing the Christian and throwing him in the Colliseum for amusement.
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You can edit the first post to make it more like an OP and/or make it clear that you did not start the thread if you want.
Core Imposter said:
The thing is, the title, not mine, drop the "for Christians" part and I can get behind the title. God's plan encompasses all of us. Yes, I believe God is using Trump.
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To change the thread title you need to PM a modchange it in the same way apparently.
 
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I think you can edit a thread title if you are the OP, just go back to post #1 and edit it like you would edit the contents. It works for me.
 
Core Imposter said:
Christ died on the cross to defeat evil and sin. Isn't that enough?
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Doesn't seem to have worked all that well. Would Jesus have approved of the way the Tudor monarchs kept executing people for not worshiping with the "correct" gestures, or for daring to have an original thought, or because Henry VIII woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and decided to put the gears in the works to have his 6th wife (Catherine Parr) charged with some crime and executed because he suddenly didn't like her opinions on religion?

Adam and Eve lived a perfect and timeless existence but rebelled because they wanted to be in charge. At least your thinking is consistent to your ancestor. He blamed Eve for his actions and then had the gall to blame God for giving him a woman.
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Weren't they told they were in charge? That's the excuse used by every politician since, when it comes to actions that harm and destroy the natural world.

This reminds me of Christopher Hitchens, and Richard Dawkins still, blaming all the evils of the world on a God they claim doesn't exist in the first place. It's evident that there wouldn't have been the votes but for Trump and McConnell, so I am comfortable asserting that they were instruments in God's hands. Could I be wrong? Certainly.
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I haven't read much about Hitchens, but I don't recall Dawkins blaming any god, but rather those who choose supernatural belief over evidence.

Thorgalaeg said:
Yep, but that is because God's ways are mysterious you know. Christian (and most religions) universal solution. In most legal systems however God would be imprisoned by gross negligence.

So if God exists I hope He has at least a good extenuating circumstance.
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Or a good lawyer.

Samson said:
You can edit the first post to make it more like an OP and/or make it clear that you did not start the thread if you want.
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I've advocated in the past for not forcing people to become OPs without asking if they're okay with it, when threads get split...

That said, the title can be edited. You need a moderator's help to edit a poll.
 
So the title should be changed to "Is Trump using Christians to further his plans for Trump ?"

I think the answer is "Yes, probably". Should be a poll too, the people demand the vote ! :)
 
I remember reading someone on the Internet saying he was an atheist. Must've been a troll.

In any case I still find it weird that a devout Christian would be so full-throatedly in support of someone who lives so blatantly an unChristian lifestyle and behaves in a blatantly unChristian manner. I can understand supporting to the extent of pragmatism a politician whom you agree with on some points, or whose agenda you see conducive or agreeable to the success of your own, but a ride-and-die attitude towards someone who is at the very least a scummy politician and an extremely flawed Christian seems to be indicative of something other sinister than simply pragmatic championing.
 
I hear the SC plays a big part, the US conservatives really wanted the majority in the court, Trump made good on his promise, that political advantage will last longer then his presidency and may ultimately more significant to your daily lives.

A simple cow trade, well known in the bible.

In private most of them think he's a clown. Pence is the perfect example.
 
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Core Imposter said:
Now, I did not start this thread, this might be a little like grabbing the Christian and throwing him in the Colliseum for amusement.
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You won't find much support for Christianity here. To my knowledge there are only about 3 Christians on off topic (myself included). The vast majority of the rest are Athiest ( or agnostic Athiest) and are often quite hostile to religion in general and Christianity in particular.

Most people here also don't like Trump (myself included) as you have probably noticed!

Bonyduck Campersang said:
I can't believe OP is anything but trolling, but isn't Trump an atheist?
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GenMarshall said:
He’s a Protestant nondenominational. Last time I checked.
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Trump says he is a Christian, but can't name a single Bible verse, rarely goes to Church, and has been reported to say he thinks it is a load of nonsense. So I have my doubts! I think he is probably playing up to his supporters which include a lot of southern Baptists and similar.
 
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