In my current game, I am about to found my second city, and while I've decided on the general location, I'm torn between these three specific tiles: A city at any one of those locations could easily become a production powerhouse, but they each have some trade-offs. Site A: Honestly, there's not really much wrong with site A for the short term. It actually has the most production potential--(-9F/+23P if I were to mine all the hills nearby, which would be supported by the +9F between the south fish, the corn, and the +2F from the city tile)--but it does "waste" the northern fish, which is arguably the most valuable food tile in the game. Another problem with it is that it's the southernmost option, and crowds out some potential development along the river. But the biggest issue with A is that it can't work every tile in its BFC with just the fish and the corn, and I would have to waste valuable riverside and grassland tiles of future cities chaining irrigation up to it to create mediocre farmland to support its two plains tiles. Site B: Site B was actually where I'd originally envisioned this city before I had more of the fog cleared. Tile-wise it has almost the same makeup as A, except that it trades one of its grassland hills for a coast tile. The only problem with B is that it shares 2 tiles with the capital, both of which I would prefer stayed with Athens. However this also resolves the issue that A had with farmland. Because it has two fewer -1F tiles (1 plains and one grassland hill), site B can support all of its tiles without any chained farms at a cost of 4P. But it also leaves the south fish open for another city to use and doesn't crowd the river. Site C: So here's where the title of the post becomes relevant--I'm currently leaning towards founding on this site. Once again it has a very similar tile makeup as B (duh, we're only shifting 1 tile away between any two sites). Basically, it trades the tiles that B shares with the capital for ocean. Not fantastic, I know, but it's still 2 free commerce that I wouldn't be getting from B. It also trades the corn for one of the fish, so I would get +3F from the city tile instead of +2F, and a +1F upgrade from non-irrigated corn to fish. This means that C can reach 21 pop without irrigation, biology, or any farms at all, and I would therefore always be guaranteed to be able to support at least one specialist. (An engineer, maybe?) Since I'm also playing as Greece, (specifically Pericles, but both Alexander and Pericles are Philo leaders) free GPP from a production city is nothing to sneer at, and I wouldn't say no to the occasional guaranteed GE. But then again, I'm also settling on corn--everyone's favorite land-bound food resource. I feel like wanting to settle there is like blasphemy. Could this be that one exceptional circumstance where it's okay to waste food like that? So in the end, I'm quite torn between the 3 sites I laid out. I'm hoping some other more experienced players (prince level here ) could provide some input as to what they think is best. Who knows, maybe there's even a tile I haven't considered that would be even better than these three options. Anyway, thanks for reading and I hope to get some feedback.