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Is it human nature to try and override human nature?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Mr. Dictator, Sep 2, 2007.

  1. Mr. Dictator

    Mr. Dictator A Chain-Smoking Fox

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    Discuss

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  2. Leonel

    Leonel Breakfast Connoisseur

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    I think so. Whether it be sexual or something more primitive, we always want to try to rise above that as if we're afraid that we'd be no better than animals.
     
  3. Shylock

    Shylock Hey smiling strange

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    We certainly try, but human nature is part of the kernel and most people aren't going to try and alter it. A few pull it off though.
     
  4. Thorvald of Lym

    Thorvald of Lym A Little Sketchy

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    Absolutely! We're always striving make ourselves appear more sophisticated and rational than we really are.

    Lord of the Flies, anyone?
     
  5. Stratagist IV

    Stratagist IV Ex virtute honos

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    It is human nature to destroy what is it's immediate surroundings (look at the environment people) and we will never, ever get better.
     
  6. Thorvald of Lym

    Thorvald of Lym A Little Sketchy

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    I wouldn't say that, exactly. Travel to sub-Saharan Africa and visit the Bushmen of the Kalahari. You'll find they live simple, happy lives, and have probably the smallest ecological footprint of any community in the world.

    Or, if travel's not your thing, go watch The Gods must be Crazy. I do agree, though, urbanization is an eco-disaster in most parts of the world.
     
  7. Mr. Dictator

    Mr. Dictator A Chain-Smoking Fox

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    but you can't say it's human nature to destroy the environment if we have a sizeable amount who are against it.

    unless they've "rose above it" but even then, it's human nature to rise above human nature, so it's human nature to care about the environment at times :crazyeye:
     
  8. Stratagist IV

    Stratagist IV Ex virtute honos

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    True, there is a sizable portion that cares about the environment, but think of other examples. Maybe your room or your kitchen or school/office. Don't tell me that if they didn't have people SPECIFICALLY dedicated to cleaning up after your mess, then (insert exemple here) wouldn't look like a landfill after a month
     
  9. Ansar

    Ansar Détente avec l'été

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    ...what?

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  10. GoodEnoughForMe

    GoodEnoughForMe n.m.s.s.

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    I think you are using "will of the majority" as an example of human nature here, which is not accurate. Human nature, whatever it is, would be much more fundamental and instinctive.
     
  11. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    He's asking if its a natural human tendency to challenge our instincts by purposefully acting against them.

    Personally, Monseur le Dictatore, I think so.
     
  12. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    Lord of the Flies was an unnatural situation. There were no elders to guide those boys and no girls to temper their aggressiveness. That and, of course, that it was fiction.
     
  13. Ansar

    Ansar Détente avec l'été

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    Oh.

    Of course, then. We're always trying to exceed beyond our limits.
     
  14. Fugitive Sisyphus

    Fugitive Sisyphus Escape Artist

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    If it is human nature to try to override human nature then because, because of human nature, we try to override our desire to override human nature. Therefore humans don't try to override human nature.
     
  15. Stratagist IV

    Stratagist IV Ex virtute honos

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    aha!! after hours of searching, I have found a way to test human nature: There are three types of personalities everyone has:

    The Personsa: the side that we present to the world
    The Shadow: our secret self whose desires we try to hide
    The Anima: the mediator between the two previous types

    In Carl Gustav Jung's theroy, improvement is achieved when the persona, with the aid of the anima confronts and accepts the shadow. SO... what this boils down to is that if you feel compeled to go through Jung's process, than it is human nature to overcome human nature. (please give me feedback on if you feel compeled or not)
     
  16. AL_DA_GREAT

    AL_DA_GREAT amour absinthe révolution

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    We are animals and our social structures should be designed that way. Survival of the fitest is the only natural way.
     
  17. bigdog5994

    bigdog5994 Lady Day

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    and whose the fittest AL?
     
  18. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    Obvious teenage CivFanatics at home on their parent's computers are the fittest, duh!
     
  19. Harbringer

    Harbringer Your A One Flower Garden

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    Well, there are not laws to decribe the realionships between human nature and our world around us, I dont really think we have a set nature but we have the power to create our own at will, thus changing the laws of it ourselves. So in a sence, everytime we change our nature, we change the laws of our nature......which is, in a sence defiance of nature.
     
  20. SonicX

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    The best way to cope with human nature is not to try to override, but to try to accept it and deal with it accordingly.
    We try to supress certain aspects of human nature from a rational point of view to better society as a whole and therefore also our own lives.

    Take racism for instance. Throughout history racism has a been a key part in human nature, presumably a defense mechanism to protect the self. In today's society, it's better to supress racism in a multi-racial society, it's a rational choice. It is however stupid to say it's a human sin ... it's merely a characteristic that has gone obsolete and the existence of it within all of us shouldn't be underestimated or ignore completely.
    Being civilized is learning to cope with your own characters and preventing the innate instincts to thrive by willpower. It is not denying that instincts still exist.

    In short, no, we don't try to overrun human nature, we just try to put rational thought over instinct, two basic aspects of human nature.
     

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