Subject in title. (Edit: Monument first to be clear) So, the patch is out and I've just been messing around with starts with the new tradition/liberty trees and analysing these builds to hell (I am compelled to form mathematical models of my builds for their optimalness - I hate going on gut feeling). Anyway, the more I look at using culture as "production" with the liberty tree the stronger such a start appears. I can get details out soon, but is anyone else seeing this? 109 hammer settler for free on 2nd policy; 2nd policy is (25+45) culture; 40 hammer monument built in 10 turns while city grows in 8 turns on a 2f tile; free settler comes out on turn 26 if I remember, plus city growth, plus 16 more turns of production on something else. Going for the free settler with no culture bonus besides liberty opener results in a turn 48 free settler. The difference there is 22 turns of city output, happiness permitting. That's really, really hard to recover with traditional builds.