Is Japan That Powerful?

[docbud]

Is Japan super-powerful in G&K or something?

I am playing prince, and am at war with Japan. Way ahead tech-wise.

It took me five rocket artillery units and three bombers to take out one world war one era infantry that Japan had.

If it's that hard to beat them, then I might as well quit the game.

I threw all that at a different unit they had a turn later, and then next turn they healed like nothing happened?

I realize they nerfed ranged units, but I can't believe bombers and rocket artillery can't take out one single Japanese WWI infantry unit.

Any ideas?

 

[Tachii]

I played against them last game in my culture victory. Their great war infantry should still be destroyed easily with 2-3 warbombers (land promotions). And the artillery unit isn't good against melee anyway. It was changed to be only effective against cities. By that point I don't even bother teching for Dynamite. A couple of bombers and a couple of battleships and the AI is good as dead, really.

 

[Lyoncet]

Sounds like misattribution to me. Bushido makes them a little stickier and deal a little more damage on the way out (a Japanese unit with 1HP will deal around 50% more damage as it dies than a 1HP non-Japanese unit, and will still be just as dead afterwards).

 

[superfeds]

Rocket arty is really for cities. It doesn't do as much dmg to units

Also was the unit fortified? Did it have Terrain or religious bonus? Hills can dealt reduce.dmg

 

[docbud]

Am not sure about fortified. It was not attacking me, but was definitely on defense.

And, yup, I realize that rocket artillery is mainly for cities (which worked out later in the game). But I can't believe that it took that much firepower to take out one single unit.

I ended up killing it and am now steamrolling. I saved my girlfriend Theodora and bought her back to life, so all is well. [note: I am kidding about her being my girlfriend--although she is definitely hot]

Am ready to take back her capital and give it back, and about a half-dozen turns of taking Japan's capital.

 

[Silverfuturist]

Sounds like Japan was beefed up on all of the promotions, fortified, had great general, maybe honor... did they have that Alhambra and/or Brandonberg Gate? If your units didn't have promotions and they are maxed out on them, than that kind of crazy thing can happen.

 

[Smokeybear]

I ended up killing it and am now steamrolling. I saved my girlfriend Theodora and bought her back to life, so all is well. [note: I am kidding about her being my girlfriend--although she is definitely hot

Don't trust the floozy! She will break your heart and stab you in the back

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Were you experiencing any unhappiness from your conquests? That will drop the effectiveness of your units like a stone. Plus, what everyone else said

 

[ggmoyang]

Sounds like misattribution to me. Bushido makes them a little stickier and deal a little more damage on the way out (a Japanese unit with 1HP will deal around 50% more damage as it dies than a 1HP non-Japanese unit, and will still be just as dead afterwards).

It is 33% in G&K (Wounded units suffer max -33% damage)
Also wounded unit don't take more damage, it is difference from cIV.

Japanese trait is not so good IMO, but Samurai-s are good.

 

[Callonia]

Siege units is ineffective against units in gods n kings, but they're really good for softening up enemy units before you do the charge.

 

[bonafide11]

[note: I am kidding about her being my girlfriend--although she is definitely hot]

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

 

[apocalypse105]

units don''t get the benefit of bushido when they are atacked by ranged units

So most likly the infantry unit had a lot of promotions... and fortified

 

[docbud]

Yeah--they must have had a lot of promotions. I'll have to check when I get home tonight to see if Japan has Brandenberg Gate or Alhambra. They did have a great general, but I got rid of him.

And yeah, I know Theodora is going to break my heart. She always does

My happiness level was fine, mid-50s

 

[Truronian]

It is 33% in G&K (Wounded units suffer max -33% damage)
Also wounded unit don't take more damage, it is difference from cIV.

Which means a 1hp Japanese unit will inflict about 50% more damage than a 1hp non-Japanese unit (66 damage compared to 100 damage, for example).

 

[Silverfuturist]

Yeah--they must have had a lot of promotions. I'll have to check when I get home tonight to see if Japan has Brandenberg Gate or Alhambra. They did have a great general, but I got rid of him.

And yeah, I know Theodora is going to break my heart. She always does

My happiness level was fine, mid-50s

mid-50s is HUGE happiness! You could have the ability to handle several more large cities with that boost.

 

[docbud]

^^^I've already got about a dozen cities (mostly puppets I took from the Ottomans). I have original three, and annexed a few of the puppets. Only three civs have their original capital left (myself, Japan, and Songhai). So I guess it's time to go conquering. Songhai is across the ocean, but not too far away. Japan is on my continent, but I'm protected on one side by a huge lake, and the other side is a lot of mountains with citadels strategically placed.

 

[Unthinking Pain]

Were your bombers upgraded for hitting land units or cities? If that unit had a promotion or two while sitting in forests/jungle/hills, it's going to be way stronger than an artillery or bomber unit that doesn't have any relevant upgrades.


The healing thing - every time a unit levels, you can forgo a permanent promotion heal the unit 50 hp (which is basically 50% health). Units on defense get xp every time they are attacked, so that's probably why that one auto-healed. Nickel and dime attacking an entrenched infantry unit can take a long time for the kill.

 

[docbud]

^^I think my bombers were a mix of promotions, some for cities, some for land units.

And that defensive bonus seems most likely, like you said. You're right--nickel and diming them to death takes a while.

But it's an enjoyable game and war

 

[Otheon]

He probably had the religion benefits of being stronger defending his own cities and/or the one that heals him extra when next to a city;. Those can be a royal pia when it's your opponent and not you that has them.

 

[Adjuvant]

yeh. what those people said.

japan is nasty in melee but if your ranged are having trouble dropping them, the difference is promotions. their UA has to do with melee combat, not being shot. ranged has always been, and still is the best way to drop japan.