I normally don't ask questions like this, I don't like the idea of "better" ways to win a game like this one, especially since I find the simple act of playing it so fun. In almost any game that even offers the option (not just civ games, any games) I always choose to play the most scientific race, build the most scientific options, etc. Brings back really nice memories of Master of Orion 2 (Creative race anybody?). Anyway, this is the first time in a long time I've seen an option besides science that looked like it would actually be interesting to chase after, and it even seems to fit into my normal playstyle, that being turtle like a boss and expand about as fast as molasses (which actually seems to hurt me for science sadly, need more than 1-2 cities). However, after reading something like twenty threads over the last few hours, it seems like it's almost general consensus at this point that culture victories are just flat out inferior to science, you basically finish science anyway by the time you could get culture and the rocket just ends up happening naturally. Is there any truth to that? I don't have much experience at all with this game as of yet, still trying to find my niche. Also, sort of an on-topic but off-topic question, since most of the threads seem to be incredibly outdated, what are considered really good civilizations for the science and culture routes? I've been able to find Babylon and Korea for science, and Ethiopia and Egypt for culture so far. Thanks in advance, it's really frustrating to have no idea what I even want to do in this game past the basics, there's just so much to learn to avoid being horrible.