Is the Military Industrial Complex the biggest Welfare Queen in the USA?

This discussion has been entertaining. Tell a right-winger about some poor woman getting a free phone through welfare and they are up in arms. Tell them that the Military Industrial Complex is a recipient of corporate welfare entitlement and they rush in to defend it.

Let's see. The woman getting the phone might be costing a few hundred per year. The M.I.C is costing hundreds of billions per year. :crazyeye:
 
That is true with right-wingers in general. They get up in arms that a few dollars per American goes towards public TV and the arts, but they continue to support outlandish subsidies to those who literally buy Republican politicians.
 
They send all these weapons to Egypt. But they complain to their buddys new zealand that we don't have a military. I remember back when we decided not to buy f16's America could just gift us 30.
 
You shouldn't have refused to allow US naval vessels with nuclear weapons to enter your ports. Then you would have had more than sufficient numbers of F16s and M1 Abrams to not fear invasion by Borneo or possibly even aliens.
 
Patroklos said:
This is why no matter what happens the US will always buy enough nuclear submarines and carriers to ensure the two nuclear capable shipyards (and we only have two now) stay open because if they ever shut down the knowledge and skills needed to build those things atrophy and are lost.
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If only there was some way of storing information in a way that future people could access it if necessary.
 
As though the US military and the shipbuilders will somehow forget how to install nuclear reactors in naval vessels after all the engineering tasks to do so were completed well over 50 years ago. :rotfl:
 
Zelig said:
If only there was some way of storing information in a way that future people could access it if necessary.
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This is why there's such a wealth of people on hand with a mastery of horse archery, or brehon law.
 
If we act now we can freeze some of the shipbuilders so they can be thawed out to save the US from imminent destruction in the dystopian future when such trade skills are lost forever.
 
And I am not denying the wants and desires of the citizens of where this factory is located and their political representatives are big factors in this based on self interest. They are and should be. I am simply pointing out the issues here are more than "I don't need a tank this year so lets shut down the factory!"
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Cant the Navy just wait for the factory to shut down then, the Navy can socialist nationalise bail out the factory, workers and thus secure the Navy's industrial base for future construction ?

You could just mothball the factory and save so much money on wear and tear. :p

I guess the "Free market" for cheap, good quality Chinese submarines is just a libertarian dream which will never happen. sad.
 
Zelig said:
If only there was some way of storing information in a way that future people could access it if necessary.
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Formaldehyde said:
As though the US military and the shipbuilders will somehow forget how to install nuclear reactors in naval vessels after all the engineering tasks to do so were completed well over 50 years ago. :rotfl:
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Patroklos is right. It's not as simple as you guys joke.

If the US wants to maintain a native proficiency in naval nuclear propulsion, we must continue to invest in the engineering and personell required.

This is a small fraction of the money spent on defense. It's a good value.

Nuclear power is an under utilized resource, and anyone who is worried about carbon emissions should read up on it.
 
peter grimes said:
Patroklos is right. It's not as simple as you guys joke.

If the US wants to maintain a native proficiency in naval nuclear propulsion, we must continue to invest in the engineering and personell required.

This is a small fraction of the money spent on defense. It's a good value.

Nuclear power is an under utilized resource, and anyone who is worried about carbon emissions should read up on it.
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Forget it. You're not going to convince someone who thinks he's an expert in all fields by being able to copy and paste from Wikipedia that in order to actually have a skill in something, you need to constantly stay in practice?
 
ParkCungHee said:
Well, I'll hold you to that then. End of September then? Adh mor.
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English Archers were trained from a very very young age to develop upper body muscle needed to weld the huge long bows. Traditional training involved arms outstretch while hold large weights. Which is what made the English archer such a great weapon. Crossbows on the other hand

Horse archery requires even more skill as you can only fire the arrow when the horse is stable, which is the moment when all four legs are off the ground. You must master archery but you must also master horsemanship too.
 
FriendlyFire said:
English Archers were trained from a very very young age to develop upper body muscle needed to weld the huge long bows. Traditional training involved arms outstretch while hold large weights. Which is what made the English archer such a great weapon.

Horse archery requires even more skill as you can only fire the arrow when the horse is stable, which is the moment when all four legs are of the ground. No only must you master archery but you must also master horsemanship too.
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But surely, since this knowledge is available in writing, these competencies can't really be forgotten. :p

As though the Eurasian Militaries and people will somehow forget how to after all the engineering tasks to do so were completed well over 1600 years ago.
 
Zelig said:
Waste of valuable weeks, I'd rather do almost anything else with my time.
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What happened to this being a trivial matter? You'd think learning at least three trades in a matter of weeks (for trivial effort!) would be a practical use of your time.
 
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