Is there any reason not to go down patronage in every game?
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wurstburst
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There's lots of ways to defeat the game. Patronage is one of them.
You could also beeline to the industrious age, nabbing the last 3 techs with saved up GS. When you get there, you take the 4 center Order policies to get the +5 hammers per city.
Or you could beeline to Acoustics and grab the rationalism policies to boost science.
Patronage is cool, but not completely needed. If you keep a healthy economy, you can keep 2 maritime CS allied without much problem. More if you do some of their quests here and there, or even better liberate one.
You could also beeline to the industrious age, nabbing the last 3 techs with saved up GS. When you get there, you take the 4 center Order policies to get the +5 hammers per city.
Or you could beeline to Acoustics and grab the rationalism policies to boost science.
Patronage is cool, but not completely needed. If you keep a healthy economy, you can keep 2 maritime CS allied without much problem. More if you do some of their quests here and there, or even better liberate one.
OTAKUjbski
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City-States = teh meta (esp Maritime)
So by association, Patronage = teh meta.
No matter what your strategy is, you can't go wrong with Patronage.
On the other hand, if you want to play this game with a little unborken challenge, turn off City-States.
So by association, Patronage = teh meta.
No matter what your strategy is, you can't go wrong with Patronage.
On the other hand, if you want to play this game with a little unborken challenge, turn off City-States.
EverNoob
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If you have a large empire, patronage won't benefit you as much. Patronage is appropriate for small-medium empires, diplomatic victory, Greece or Siam. Plus I find CS require too much babysitting. The AI often conquer your allied CS if you don't intervene.
It's a matter of playstyle
It's a matter of playstyle
KrikkitTwo
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If you have a large empire, patronage won't benefit you as much. Patronage is appropriate for small-medium empires, diplomatic victory, Greece or Siam. Plus I find CS require too much babysitting. The AI often conquer your allied CS if you don't intervene.
It's a matter of playstyle
Large empires get major benefits from Maritime CS.
horsemen too?
Rathelon
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I've never done Patronage. I usually play with no city states.
guenzak
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How do you "liberate" a city state?
neilkaz
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You liberate a city state when it has been conquered by an AI and you conquer it. There's an option to liberate it rather than to puppet or annex it. If you liberate it, it will be allied for quite a long time .. neilkaz ..
sosueme
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Patronage isn't necessary if your economy is good enough to keep the city state alliances that you want online without it. There are better choices in Liberty and Order when you're running a large sprawling empire with many cities where you'll get relatively few policy advances.
Don't forget the free GP too. They're surprisingly frequent.
I think it's a solid, if not easily abuseable, tree if running a smaller empire. You don't have quite as much gold to toss around and the benefits from the city states really help compensate for less empire output.
If you're large enough to get enough city states to receive like 200s+ research/turn from city states alone, you probably have a high enough base you don't need it and the income to afford not getting the patronage discount.
I think it's a solid, if not easily abuseable, tree if running a smaller empire. You don't have quite as much gold to toss around and the benefits from the city states really help compensate for less empire output.
If you're large enough to get enough city states to receive like 200s+ research/turn from city states alone, you probably have a high enough base you don't need it and the income to afford not getting the patronage discount.
sosueme
Muckraker
At three and four points deep in the tree. The first two points are only good for making CS alliances cheaper to maintain
Is the science bonus alone worth giving up Order/Socialism/Planned Economy in an ICS game where you'll have so many cities that you'll have to make every policy count? Is it worth giving up Rationalism/Secularism/Free Thought in a large, trading post filled empire with many specialists?
Patronage is good, sure...but there are reasons not to spend policy points on it in every game.
Udey1
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Patronage looses a lot of its shine if the Maritime states are not close by or get conquered early. This happens quite often on deity. With only a bunch of hostiles or military states close patronage can loose its importance.
EverNoob
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I did not say large empires don't benefit from maritime CS. I said large empires won't benefit from *patronage* as much, which is differentt.
As a large empire you have more gold, more science, more unhapiness, etc. You would benefit more from other social policies. Nothing stops you from having maritime CS allies without patronage.
CultureManiac
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You are also guaranteed their vote at the UN. If you liberate other civs as well, by retaking their capital and liberating them - ie, bringing them back in the game - you are guaranteed their vote as well
Teperi Blaze
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I agree to most of everything, but I really want to bork my next challenge, but with CS ON?
How do I unbork it?
aimlessgun
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There are plenty of winning methods that don't involve patronage. You might argue that the most effective ones currently don't use patronage (horse rush, sword/rifle rush, ICS). It is incredibly good for smaller empires though.
J-man
Deity
Very large empires with a very good economy might be better off with order.
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