Is this hypocritical?

Was the Trinity Church hypocritical in receiving grant money from the US government?


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Across America seven days a week, parents drop their kids at day care centers, which are supported by funding from the federal government.

But what makes one facility noteworthy in inner city Chicago is that it’s run by Trinity United Church of Christ. It’s the same church whose former head pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, drew widespread scrutiny after he cursed the U.S. government for its treatment of African-Americans.

FOX News has learned that over the last 15 years, Trinity has received at least $15 million in grants from the federal government — in other words, taxpayer money.

Records show this money supported a variety of outreach: everything from low income housing to nutritional programs for needy kids to money for HIV/AIDS education. Wright blames the government for intentionally infecting the African-American community with that deadly virus.

DePaul University journalism professor Laura Washington, who specializes in race and politics, said Wright is a hypocrite for taking money from the government.

“On the one hand, he says, ‘God damn America’ and he says America is responsible for all the ills in the black community. On the other hand, he’s taking money from the same community he’s crucifying,” Washington said.

But another scholar who specializes in religion and politics says Wright never swore off government funding like ultra-nationalist Black Muslims have.

Andrew Walsh, associate director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., said Wright’s practices fall in line with his preaching.

“Wright believes things like the government-funded programs are a necessary compensation for the legacy of white racism, part of what’s necessary to heal the wounds inflicted over four centuries on blacks. His niche is even more specialized– he does this sort of work in the context of white denominational mainline Protestantism, which, on the whole has welcomed both him and his message.”

So, how did Trinity, given Wright’s controversial criticism of the government, get millions of dollars in handouts from Washington over the years?

Democratic presidential candidate and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama says the grants didn’t come with any of his help, despite 20 years of membership at Trinity.

In fact, after the Obama campaign learned FOX News was working on this report, it released a statement saying, “Barack Obama did not work to secure grant money for Trinity United Church of Christ while serving in the Illinois state Legislature or Congress.”

But Jay Shafritz, an author and professor emeritus of public administration from the Graduate School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh, says at some level, politics invariably influences how government grant money is awarded.

“This is very much a sophisticated operation of convincing the people in government that you are the most deserving person, because these grants are very often competitive,” he said.

“It’s very much like good old fashioned patronage. In the old days, political machines had jobs to give their constituents. Nowadays, they offer them grants,” Shafritz continued.

Shafritz examined the grant documents provided by FOX News and no found wrongdoing.

Yet, he said there’s no way to know exactly how Trinity spent its millions in taxpayer money, since grant awards usually afford some latitude for discretionary use. He stressed that it’s clear the grants have helped Wright grow his once tiny ministry into a massive empire.

“Before he embarrassed himself on national television with his rantings, he was a very, very sophisticated guy in terms of growing organizations. He knew how the game was played and he played it very well. But he’s not unique,” he said.

Nationwide, African-American churches have used this kind of funding to pump investment into inner-city neighborhoods as a means of growing support — religious scholars say largely so under the Bush administration, when faith based grants increased significantly.

“For these organizations, federal funding for things like senior centers or drug treatment programs or affordable housing helps them get where they want to go,” Walsh said.

Trinity United refused comment on this story. But Wright, who officially retired on Monday, has long defended the legacy of community outreach provided by Trinity, which he founded 36 years ago.

But Washington says if Wright felt it was OK to get resources from the government, the church shouldn’t preach against it.

“It’s a dangerous thing to do because there’s a reason that the government gives that kind of support to the church. If the church bites the hand that feeds them, maybe that support is going to end.”

Well there you have it. I have a couple of questions of our OT folks in relation to this story.

First off a poll to indicate whether you think the leadership of the Trinity Church was indeed hypocritical to take 15 million dollars in grants all the while labeling the government as anti-black, GD the USA, or the US of KKK?

Secondly, do you think it worth looking into how that 15 million was procured for the church over the years in consideration of Barack Obamas run for president? We already had a similar story recently in which Obama was named as helping out Father Pfledges catholic church receive 100,000 for a civic center. Does it influence your opinion of Obama if we find he indeed help procure any of this grant money for the Trinity Church?

By all means discuss.
 
Hypocritical? Nah, just hilarious. With our government as incompetent as it is, you kind of have to laugh.
 
1) depends on how that procurement compares to other local procurements and the size of the district. If it's a main community center, then it might make sense.

2) it's not hypocritical to receive money from someone whom you blame for your ills

3) I guess it would be hypocritical if they preached a message of small government, and then took in money hand-over-fist. edit: claimed to support policies encouraging personal savings and then decimated the currency, etc.
 
2) it's not hypocritical to receive money from someone whom you blame for your ills

Its not? :confused:

I could understand the sentiment if they money was part of a lawsuit or damages owed.

This isnt the case here. Its grant money. Not blood money.
 
I say it is but just how the FDLS "bleed the beast" its ok for Trinity to "take what its owed" because the government it ebil!!!
 
An organization that receives public funding cannot be critical of the government? News to me. I think it's pretty clear that Rev.Wright is a little too keen on conspiracy theories, but if the different levels of government desire to give money away to organizations like his church, then he'd be crazy(er) not to take it.
 
Are churches that are critical of the government's laws regarding abortion hypocritical when they accept public funds?
 
Was Wright the only pastor of Trinity Church?

No. There was one or two there "regular" pastors and some guests. But he was the main man.
 
So if i get cancer the goverment gives me a donation and pays my medical costs does this invalidate me saying damn goverment for XZ ? The only thing that i shouldn't be doing is waking up , looking out of my window and not seeing any guy in white clothes near me and still saying that Blacks where poisoned Aids by the goverment. The fact that the one who tels it is not in a madhouse makes that comment completely unreasonable for the time and place.
 
No it just makes sense to take money from an organization you believe doesn't deserve it, and use it for your own cause.
 
First off a poll to indicate whether you think the leadership of the Trinity Church was indeed hypocritical to take 15 million dollars in grants all the while labeling the government as anti-black, GD the USA, or the US of KKK?

I think it's hypocritical, but I imagine they justify it by saying it's a small reparation for the centuries of tyranny by the white race

Secondly, do you think it worth looking into how that 15 million was procured for the church over the years in consideration of Barack Obamas run for president? We already had a similar story recently in which Obama was named as helping out Father Pfledges catholic church receive 100,000 for a civic center.

probably not since when they started receiving the money Barack Obama was a nobody he wasn't even a state senator

Does it influence your opinion of Obama if we find he indeed help procure any of this grant money for the Trinity Church?

probably, but I doubt it would be a big issue for me come November

I think the real hypocrisy is that our secular government is giving money to religious organizations. They already get a tax free ride why are we giving them free money?
 
An organization that receives public funding cannot be critical of the government? News to me. I think it's pretty clear that Rev.Wright is a little too keen on conspiracy theories, but if the different levels of government desire to give money away to organizations like his church, then he'd be crazy(er) not to take it.

I am not saying they couldnt be critical. I am saying is it hypocritical for the church to be critical of the government all the while taking their cash.

Comprehension is your friend.

Make up your mind what this thread is about, MobBoss, and then maybe I'll get back to you.

What you cant handle two questions at once? Feel free to only answer one then.
 
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