So I am trying to learn the Tradition start with Quick/Small/Continents/Immortal and I rolled China with a pretty nice start. I got Spice/Sugar/Bananas/Horse/Iron for my capitol city and Sugar/Sugar/Salt/Bananas/Bananas/Horse/Cow for my second city and Wheat/Fish/Fish/Fish/Iron/Iron/Deer for my third city. My first play through I made a number of mistakes, not being familiar with it, but even so I was almost done with NC before turn 100 and had three cities at almost size 10. Then the Shaka wall of units hit my second city and my two CB's where no match so ALT-F4. I tried again this morning, doing better with a few tweaks and this time he hits me at turn 60. I figured I had more time to be ready for him. In both games I went with Oral Tradition as all those plantations are making for some sweet culture. I plan on a third attempt tonight but I clearly need to do less booming and slow my growth roll to build some more units but am I just destined to fail with Tradition? I can see how powerful it is, but I also greatly miss the Honor bonus and Citizenship. Maybe I need to skip that third city and spend those resources on defense prep? Related question, if you build NC on a two city base, do you lose the bonus upon adding a third city? Do you need to build it again?