Islam and Europe

[Bozo Erectus]

So, there isn't anything to do about it or to make proposals. Better to do ourselves a favor and accept Turkey asap: why should we wait?

Ive heard this said before, what effect would it have on Islamic extremist terrorism in Europe?

Duh! You lock them up and put them on trial.

Thats not a Plan B, not even a Plan A. Arresting people who are plotting bombings against civilians is business as usual and clearly, it hasnt had much of an effect on the terrorists.

Idea is that the community polices itself.

Thats more of an ideal than an idea. Sure that would be great, is it likely to happen? Maybe, we'll see.

 

[Keshik]

I listened to an interseting discussion this morning about the spread of islamofascism in the world. There is beginning to be a growing feeling among the moslem population themselves that their religion has been hijacked, that hideous acts are being done in their name, that they have to fight and reclaim their own religion from the fascists. Time will tell whether the moslem population has the will and the means to eradicate the cancer that grows within their body.

That's sounds hopeful. I wish I could help.

 

[Evil Tyrant]

@Britannia, that is the only real solution, but I doubt enough Europeans will have the backbone to do it, I think that Europe is a dead civilization, all that remains is the largely empty shell of old Europe. The new Europe will bow in the direction of Mecca.

 

[Rambuchan]

Thats not a Plan B, not even a Plan A. Arresting people who are plotting bombings against civilians is business as usual and clearly, it hasnt had much of an effect on the terrorists.

Actually that is Plan A and it's been working very nicely up to date. There have been many foiled plots, and indeed the community has been involved in those reports.

Thats more of an ideal than an idea. Sure that would be great, is it likely to happen? Maybe, we'll see.

See above. We just need to do it more intensely and also work harder at the positive, moderate community relations aspect, which you've conveniently ignored.

@ chancellor_dan: Have you anything constructive to add or are you just here to roll out very general, demonising statements?

 

[chancellor_dan]

@ chancellor_dan: Have you anything constructive to add or are you just here to roll out very general, demonising statements?

Appologies for being so blunt and honest.
I guess i really should stop voicing the opinion of the average person in this country.

 

[Rambuchan]

Appologies for being so blunt and honest.
I guess i really should stop voicing the opinion of the average person in this country.

Do you work for the Sun or something? But seriously, it's the average person's view in this country which needs to change some if we are to solve these problems. Muslims and all. Your glib, blunt, honesty is actually making the situation worse. Just thought I would point that bit out.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Britannia, your extreme right wing approach is no more realistic than the left wing huggy kissy, touchy feely approach. You cant expel a religion from a continent. Even if the problem was Islam, and not Islamic extremism, how would you go about such a thing? The things that would be required to 'expel' Islam would bring us down to such a low level of humanity that we wouldnt be worth fighting for anymore, and giving up and converting to Islam would be preferrable.

 

[chancellor_dan]

Do you work for the Sun or something? But seriously, it's the average person's view in this country which needs to change some if we are to solve these problems. Muslims and all. Your glib, blunt, honesty is actually making the situation worse. Just thought I would point that bit out.

Anyone who thinks Islam can co-exist with our secular society is dettached from the real world. Ordinary people are appalled when they see, for example, a school on tv and find that the class contains only 1 or 2 non-Asian pupils. You may think that to be racist - but that is the general reaction of the ordinary person to the visible Islamic occupation of the nation.

 

[Rambuchan]

Anyone who thinks Islam can co-exist with our secular society is dettached from the real world. Ordinary people are appalled when they see, for example, a school on tv and find that the class contains only 1 or 2 non-Asian pupils. You may think that to be racist - but that is the general reaction of the ordinary person to the visible Islamic occupation of the nation.

I don't think I will be continuing this discussion with you. Sorry.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I guess i really should stop voicing the opinion of the average person in this country.

I must've missed when you was elected as the Voice of the People.

 

[chancellor_dan]

The things that would be required to expel Islam from Europe is for us to grow a bit of a backbone, expulsion of Muslims from Europe is a feasable option and could be achieved within a decade quite easily. Afterall how many Muslims would want to stay in Europe if they couldnt pray, if they couldnt wear Islamic dress and they couldnt work?

For me I would much rather "go down to such a low level of humanity" than have my freedom of speech taken away, then having to bow down to Islamic law and being unable to practice my British culture and traditions.
Tell you what we'll do the dirty work of fighting against these Muslim fanatics and if need be die to defend European civillization and you can stay out of it with your morals intact but your culture and way of life destroyed.

That somewhat misses the point.

The people you argue with have no 'culture' or 'way of live'.

They are liberal fanatics.

For them, the sooner anything that resembles British Nationalism is destroyed, the better. Whether they would prefer their masters to be in Mecca or Brussels is another matter.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Britannia, all I can say is that Im just as willing to fight European fascism alongside of Muslims as I am to fight Islamic fascism alongside of Europeans.

So whats this 'dirty work' you refer to? Scrawling anti Muslim epithets on a wall and running away? Throwing a stone at a Muslim store window? Thats not the dirty work, thats the stupid work.

 

[Britannia]

For them, the sooner anything that resembles British Nationalism is destroyed, the better. Whether they would prefer their masters to be in Mecca or Brussels is another matter.

I fear you may be right but after last week at least some people are waking up to the realities.

 

[Rambuchan]

The other thing that you've failed to grasp with your racist hatred Brittania (you are doing that name a great disservice btw and your far right affiliations have been well noted) is that both you and the country as a whole have not practised your principle at all in the past.

Why did we not kick every Irishman out of Britain? I mean they were all terrorists weren't they?

Has it also not occured to you that it is Irish politicians who are slowly bringing an end to that conflict. Do you really think we could be in the situation we are in today wrt N.Ireland if we had not worked with the Irish people themselves?

Further, your argument is ridiculously impractical. How are you propsing to simply uproot people who have lived their whole lives here, paid their taxes, helped build the society and so forth? I guess a call to genocide would be your answer because you aren't going to achieve it any other way to be frank.

And did it not occur to you that Britain invited these people into the country to help rebuild it? You asked them to come here after raping and pillaging their countries and taxing their populations to the hilt. Now that the job has been done you are quite happy to boot them out. Says a great deal of your character, if not your sense of history, I must say.

 

[chancellor_dan]

The other thing that you've failed to grasp with your racist hatred Brittania (you are doing that name a great disservice btw and your far right affiliations have been well noted) is that both you and the country as a whole have not practised your principle at all in the past.

Why did we not kick every Irishman out of Britain? I mean they were all terrorists weren't they?

Has it also not occured to you that it is Irish politicians who are slowly bringing an end to that conflict. Do you really think we could be in the situation we are in today wrt N.Ireland if we had not worked with the Irish people themselves?

Further, your argument is ridiculously impractical. How are you propsing to simply uproot people who have lived their whole lives here, paid their taxes, helped build the society and so forth? I guess a call to genocide would be your answer because you aren't going to achieve it any other way to be frank.

And did it not occur to you that Britain invited these people into the country to help rebuild it? You asked them to come here after raping and pillaging their countries and taxing their populations to the hilt. Now that the job has been done you are quite happy to boot them out. Says a great deal of your character, if not your sense of history, I must say.

Yeah, maybe Osama Bin Laden will go into politics too.

Kick every Irishman out of the country? Now there's a thought...

Presumably you're happy that the Government negotiates with Sinn Fein terrorists, and would be happy to bring Al-Quaeda to the table.

 

[Sickman]

Originally Posted by Shevek
Western society seems to give them shallow TV, no jobs, porn and a lot of other unsavoury things instead.

The answer then is rather obvious: don't move to Europe/the U.S.

I partly agree on there with rmsharpe.
I myself really carefully choose what I watch from TV, I do have job (has lot to do with education), don't watch porn and other unsavory things don't interest me either (drinking, drugs etc).

So even though my lifestyle is different than many of westerners and I would mainstream of westerners I still can live in society without causing too much disturbance.
If you cannot handle those issues, don't move in either of those places.

And tell you the truth I'm not looking forward living in society full of christian fundamentalist either.
Mainly because I value my freedom to do choices.

Immigration policy in Europe in many countries have failed miserably and will continue to fail. I don't see any end to this. However my analysis of this situation is still open. We must wait and see pressure our governments to better integrate muslims as part of society.

Personally I see muslims living side by side with westerners but we cannot simply start to change our society and fill their needs instead it's them who have to accept the idea of "godless" society and it's "vices".

I don't give heck who the fanatics are who take my freedoms away.
For me they are the same bunch and I think nobody wants that.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Cant you see that the problem is not "Islamic fascism" but Islam itself. Our cultures are so alien that it is impossible for us to co exist together. If you fight us alongside Muslim then your are only drawing nearer the demise of our civillization.

During the worst of the IRA period, did people say that the problem is Catholicism, and that Catholicism should be driven out of Europe? Yes its true, Islam and democracy arent good bedfellows, but the answer isnt to cease being democratic and become fascist. If we do (everyone say it together, you know it by heart) 'then the terrorists will have won'. Stopping further immigration from the Muslim world, and concentrating on assimilation of the Muslims within Europe is the only sensible thing to do.

Bulldozing Mosques, killing radical Muslims and forced deportation of any Muslim that will not go volunarily.

And the tens of millions of Muslims all across Europe will sit by passively as all this goes on? Or will they instead erupt in open rebellion and get plenty of support from non Muslim Europeans? Come on, keep it real man.

 

[The Last Conformist]

That somewhat misses the point.

The people you argue with have no 'culture' or 'way of live'.

Sure seems preferable to having yours ...

 

[chancellor_dan]

During the worst of the IRA period, did people say that the problem is Catholicism, and that Catholicism should be driven out of Europe? Yes its true, Islam and democracy arent good bedfellows, but the answer isnt to cease being democratic and become fascist. If we do (everyone say it together, you know it by heart) 'then the terrorists will have won'. Stopping further immigration from the Muslim world, and concentrating on assimilation of the Muslims within Europe is the only sensible thing to do.

And the tens of millions of Muslims all across Europe will sit by passively as all this goes on? Or will they instead erupt in open rebellion and get plenty of support from non Muslim Europeans? Come on, keep it real man.

The IRA didn't fight under the influence of Catholicism. Now you're clutching at straws.

 

[Lozzy_Ozzy]

This is an impossible situation.

There is NO WAY everyone will be happy NO MATTER is done.

Now excuse me, but I have to board my space ship and go and form my new colony with absolutely no hatred of others and complete integration.

Who is coming with me you ask?

No one- the only possible solution to this social rift.

And that's just impossible to do, so we're STUCK WITH IT.

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