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Isn't it about time the English civilization is named British instead?

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Genghis Khaiser, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. Genghis Khaiser

    Genghis Khaiser Prince

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    Especially when the leader is Victoria and the British Empire was not England alone. It was also Scotland and Ireland (Until most of it split from the Union), and I'm not British but since Scotland and Ireland are not England they also deserve to have some credit. Wales is another story since it has been a part of the Kingdom of England since medieval times.
    So, why is the civ called the "English"?
     
  2. Zaarin

    Zaarin Chief Medical Officer, DS9

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    Because the British were a Celtic people who gave their name to the island of Great Britain and to the British Isles, the greater part of which is ruled by the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, and Ireland.
     
  3. Mustakrakish

    Mustakrakish In 'Node' We Trust

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    Because it takes into account the achievements of England? Wasn't it united under english rule? Because the civ covers earlier stages of the umm civ, not just "British" period? I really don't know nor care tbh. England seems right to me. I don't think Victoria should determine what england should be called though. There could be another earlier leader as well :dunno:

    But then again I'm annoyed by united states being called "..of America" or simply America, so I'm not even half decent to comment on this topic... and yet I did damn it. I'm weird like that.
     
  4. moysturfurmer

    moysturfurmer Emperor

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    Well that'd pose a problem when they release the Henry VIII alternate leader DLC. Easier to keep it "England"
     
  5. MIS

    MIS Prince

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    A single Kingdom of Great Britain resulted from the Union of Scotland and England (which already comprised the present-day countries of England and Wales) in 1707. More than a hundred years before, in 1603, King James VI, King of Scots, had inherited the throne of England, but it was not until 1707 that the Parliaments of the two countries agreed to form a political union.
     
  6. ShahJahanII

    ShahJahanII Homesick Alien

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    Maybe because it would foreclose the possibility of a Scottish/Celtic civ in expansions? I for one, don't particularly care about this distinction
     
  7. Scaramanga

    Scaramanga Brickhead

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    When they specify "England" they really mean English civilization that is different from the Celtic civilizations around it and which has dominated the Isles in the recent past. Obviously there is a huge number of civilizations from over the course of time but speaking, posting and playing a video game in English and not Gaelic is a pretty good indicator of the English civilization's reach, whether one believes that reach was achieved through nefarious means or not.
     
  8. OnceAKing

    OnceAKing Warlord

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    I think it always leaves the option of choosing other British civs in later expansions.
     
  9. True_Candyman

    True_Candyman Emperor

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    And let's be perfectly honest, England colonised Ireland and Scotland through the 17th and 18th century. It was only a British civ as far as it was also a world civ once India etc were added.

    The power was with England, and still is to this day.
     
  10. Scaramanga

    Scaramanga Brickhead

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    To add some more thoughts, there is less of a sense of "British" civilization as a whole than an "English" one. Great Britain was the form English civilization took on for imperial purposes and Englishness is something that transcends any one state. It developed way before any union with Ireland and Scotland and its worldwide influence is projected by things such as the Magna Carta, the King James Bible and the works of Shakespeare.
     
  11. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    The Angles (Angle-ish) amongst other Germanic tribes such as the Saxons and Jutes conquered/assimilated the Britons. (British)

    So the Angle-ish (English) seem more appropriate than the British, IMHO.
     
  12. Lord Tirian

    Lord Tirian Erratic Poster

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    We've seen similar overlaps before, though, e.g. Germany and the Holy Roman Empire, not to mention the number of civilisations with territorial overlap.

    British would then explicitly cover the modern Britain/UK, with Celts, Scots (and England) representing the past incarnations. After all, nobody is complaining that we can have the Ottoman Empire, the Byzantines and Rome in a single game.

    This said, I do think "English" is more iconic and evokes the civilisation in question better, especially to a general audience.
     
  13. Aristos

    Aristos Lightseeker

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    Oh man, don't go that way... the next step of that line of reasoning forces you to consider that "anglish" is "just" a Germanic dialect in its roots, and I am not sure many people will be ready to even consider that. :D

    Of course it is much more complex than that, but it still seems to be the root of all related events.
     
  14. Felis Renidens

    Felis Renidens Prince

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    Maybe they should be English and led by Alfred the Great?
     
  15. Zaarin

    Zaarin Chief Medical Officer, DS9

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    I will pay generously for that DLC. :D
     
  16. Felis Renidens

    Felis Renidens Prince

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    But he should speak proper Anglo-Saxon, not Modern English.
     
  17. Roundman

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    That annoys me- especially when Germany, Austria, and the HRE are all included as different civilizations. You might as well include both England and the UK as distinct civilizations.
     
  18. Primacide

    Primacide Settler

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    I just want to see the US left out of the game...

    You have to play as Mexico or Canada!!! Muhaha ha!!

    My Scottish friends are offended by being called English. For that matter, my English friends are also offended when you call Scottish people "English"

    (They all prefer British, by the way, but that's just friends of mine, not a reliable survey.)
     
  19. Cyon

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    An option to exclude them in random setup would be nice, I like the direction of them in Civ 6 but it is immersion breaking with stone age Washington!
     
  20. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    Well, "Anglish" does definitely have Germanic roots. Plus French, Latin, Greek, etc.

    It's a fascinating language. :D
     

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