Israel and USA versus Iran and Russia

[otago]

Well this will make the Middle East interesting, no way Israel would take Russia on, but would the USA take the chance of going to war against a nuclear power ?
Would the American public think it a good idea to go to war with Russia for the sake of Israel ?
We do live in interesting times.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-the-summer-is-almost-certain-2012-4#comments

 

[bombshoo]

Russia doesn't have enough of a stake in Iran to back them that far. Russia's current tacit support for the regime in Tehran is simply a means with which to have leverage against the United States in other situations. If you delve deeper, Iran and Russia have their own share of diplomatic problems themselves.

Israel also wouldn't risk ticking off the Russians too much when that is where they get a good deal of their oil.

 

[imperialman]

Iran and Russia wouldn't really last all too long in a conventional war.

 

[Yoda Power]

Why would Russia back Iran? Why would anyone declare war on Russia?

Your scenario is too hypothetical.

 

[Winner]

Is this really a thread for the Chamber?

 

[Tahuti]

Russia doesn't have enough of a stake in Iran to back them that far. Russia's current tacit support for the regime in Tehran is simply a means with which to have leverage against the United States in other situations. If you delve deeper, Iran and Russia have their own share of diplomatic problems themselves.

Israel also wouldn't risk ticking off the Russians too much when that is where they get a good deal of their oil.

Unfortunately, politicians aren't that rational to comprehend this. No one expected WWII, for similar reasons. I'm not saying the events described in the OP will inevitably lead to WWIII, but I'm saying all this is more likely than anyone thinks.

 

[Leoreth]

So what interests does Russia have to interfere on Iran's behalf? There need to be some, unless you want to imply that the Russian leadership would just like to move its tanks and planes around a little.

 

[Tahuti]

So what interests does the USA have to interfere on Israel's behalf? There need to be some, unless you want to imply that the American leadership would just like to move its tanks and planes around a little.

See what I did there? There are no interests to be served, just an irrational fear for another power.

EDIT: Bottomline is that wars are often started because of political pressures that have no rational basis. If you (made yourself) believe a nation is bound to attack you (regardless how bizarre the rationale behind that belief is), you will attack, regardless the purely economic value of (winning) such a war.

 

[otago]

Iran and Russia wouldn't really last all too long in a conventional war.

An invasion by the USA, what did one US general say, oh yes, if you liked Iraq and Afghanistan you will love Iran.

Remember Bush and cohorts bellowing mission accomplished ?

The US attacks Russian forces, how does the coalition get all that gear out of Afghanistan ?

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah, it's true that the hawks on both sides thrive through the fear that the enemy is even more hawkish than they are.

 

[Cutlass]

Unfortunately, politicians aren't that rational to comprehend this. No one expected WWII, for similar reasons. I'm not saying the events described in the OP will inevitably lead to WWIII, but I'm saying all this is more likely than anyone thinks.

A lot of people expected WWII. They just hoped desperately and irrationally that they could stay out of it.

 

[red_elk]

Iran is not an ally of Russia and if I didn't miss anything in the article, it doesn't say that Russia is going to start war against Israel or USA over Iran.

 

[Glassfan]

Russia doesn't have enough of a stake in Iran to back them that far. Russia's current tacit support for the regime in Tehran is simply a means with which to have leverage against the United States in other situations. If you delve deeper, Iran and Russia have their own share of diplomatic problems themselves.

Iran is not an ally of Russia and if I didn't miss anything in the article, it doesn't say that Russia is going to start war against Israel or USA over Iran.

Agree. To Iran, America is the Great Satan; Russia is the Lesser Satan; Israel the Little Satan. Also, Iran hates Iraq, the UK (formerly the Great Satan, but the title has passed to the USA), the West in general and the Kurds in particular.

Syria and the Palestinian entity are pro-Iranian. Good luck with that.

 

[Tahuti]

Also, Iran hates Iraq

Actually, relations between Iran and Post-Saddam Iraq are pretty cordial, owing to the Shi'a majority in the Iraqi parliament. If anything, Post-Saddam Iraq demonstrates one of the biggest ironies of US Middle East policy.

 

[imperialman]

An invasion by the USA, what did one US general say, oh yes, if you liked Iraq and Afghanistan you will love Iran.

Remember Bush and cohorts bellowing mission accomplished ?

The US attacks Russian forces, how does the coalition get all that gear out of Afghanistan ?

I wouldn't really expect them to invade Iran quite frankly.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Russia can defeat the imperialist corrupt materialistic pig-dog weaklings of the U$A and I$rael alone. We don't need no Iran to do it

 

[Veles]

Russia can defeat the imperialist corrupt materialistic pig-dog weaklings of the U$A and I$rael alone. We don't need no Iran to do it

Finally, some sense made in this thread. All your silly Western KIN-N-NIGITS! MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS! Go away, or we shall taunt you a second time!

 

[emzie]

Unfortunately, politicians aren't that rational to comprehend this. No one expected WWII, for similar reasons. I'm not saying the events described in the OP will inevitably lead to WWIII, but I'm saying all this is more likely than anyone thinks.

This thread is certified Chamber material.

 

[otago]

I wouldn't really expect them to invade Iran quite frankly.

A couple of US aircraft are shot down and they tie the surviving aircrew to the next targets the US will go after, yep they would have to invade.

General Zinnin who is rational says it best.
(After you’ve dropped those bombs on those hardened facilities, what happens next? What happens if they decide, in their hardened shelters with their mobile missiles, to start launching those? What happens if they launch them into U.S. bases on the other side of the gulf? What happens if they launch into Israel, or somewhere else? Into a Saudi oil field? Into Ras Laffan, with all the natural gas? What happens if they now flush their fast patrol boats, their cruise missiles, the [unclear] full of mines, and they sink a tanker, an oil tanker? And of course the economy of the world goes absolutely nuts. What happens if they activate sleeper cells? The MOIS, the intelligence service — what happens if another preemptive attack by the West, the U.S. and Israel, they fire up the streets and now we got problems. Just tell me how to deal with all that, okay?

Because, eventually, if you follow this all the way down, eventually I’m putting boots on the ground somewhere. And like I tell my friends, if you like Iraq and Afghanistan, you’ll love Iran.))

And bombing a nuclear reactor which has a lot of Russians working at it, Vlad the Impaler would be slightly miffed over that.

 

[Glassfan]

Russia can defeat the imperialist corrupt materialistic pig-dog weaklings of the U$A and I$rael alone. We don't need no Iran to do it

Russia can barely handle Chechnia.