Israel needs to be "wiped of the map" - Ahmadinejad (Iran president)

Quasar1011 said:
How many times is Jerusalem mentioned in the Qu'ran?

Answer: zero.
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But they did build a mosque ontop of the temple mount.....a Jewish temple.
 
ori said:
It really is irrelevant whether the Iranian president said that quote (which he apparently did not) - or the Iranian News Agency (which is run by the government) reported that he did (which is the case). In any case the official Iranian statement issued by the Iranian government was at that time: The president said that Israel is to be wiped out.
Anyone including the NYT is quite justified in reporting that this has been the Iranian presidents view...
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No the translation of what he said on a single instance on tape has been misreported in the times by careless and biased reporters, it completely misrepresents the Iranian leaders view, it is lies and that they refuse to retract it is nothing short of abhorrrent to me, we lie, we got caught out but we still back our lies as true. Pah no respect whatsoever for that newspaper any more, if it printed an article telling me The artic vircle was cold, I'd have to check further sources .
 
Quasar1011 said:
How many times is Jerusalem mentioned in the Qu'ran?

Answer: zero.
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What on God's Earth does that have to do with anything?

The original direction Mohammed told his disciples to pray in was towards Jerusalem by the way.
 
Quasar1011 said:
Muhammad didn't die in Jerusalem. So, of which Muslim prophet do you speak?
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Again what relevance, the reason Muslims see Jerusalem as their third holiest city have nothing to do with Christianity per se. For that matter he's right Jesus is a prophet under Islam.
 
Pasi Nurminen said:
Where is your evidence of such prisons? Iran is more or less a democratic state (ie, more than America), Ahmadinejad was elected by universal suffrage and secret ballot.

It always amuses me to see Americans go "oh, god damnit, they elected a conservative, they're still gonna be a dictatorship."
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My evidence is that I lived in Iran, and I have a uncle who was a part of the government( I dont remember which branch, since I myself havent speaked to him for some time) and he knew all those people and he resigned because he didnt like how the laws were and he was as liberal as a mullah can be in Iran. However I also have friends and family in Iran and if you were to speak to them i'm sure they would tell you the same thing, but i'm sorry i didnt mean to come off as stupid and ignorant :blush:.
 
Pasi Nurminen said:
Where is your evidence of such prisons? Iran is more or less a democratic state (ie, more than America), Ahmadinejad was elected by universal suffrage and secret ballot.

It always amuses me to see Americans go "oh, god damnit, they elected a conservative, they're still gonna be a dictatorship."
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You seem to conviently forget the Supreme leader, who is NOT elected and who really holds the power.
 
Quasar1011 said:
Jesus wasn't Muslim. The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the Bible. That Jerusalem is a holy Muslim city, is purely contrived.
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Oh he is and it is, and your apostate for claiming he isn't and it isn't, stop spreading heretical lies, I've debunked your mythology on more than one occasion. If you want to devolve yourself from Islam then devolve yourself from God, frankly you wont be missed. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
Sidhe said:
Didn't I say that about 8 pages ago, we had a big debate about it, or was that another thread, oh well. Let's just say this mythical piece of mistranslation by the NYT: who still refuse to translate it properly saying their transaltion is justified does not fly and is not real. Anyone who refuses to accept that is living in la la land. The NYT has never had less credibility in my eyes than it does now. Might as well stick it next to trash papers, that claim there's a number 59 bus on the moon. Or that a woman's son turned into a fishfinger.

Nope different thread, I'll try and fish it out, so that people can get a really good idea just how thoroughly debunked this mythical piece of propaganda has been.
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I keep asking how saying that the jews should be "vanish from the page of time" is any better then being wiped off the map? Now the way i read it, thats much worse then saying wiped off the map. Not only his he saying he wants to kill (vanish) the jews, but he believes that history (page of time) should be rewirten so that there were never any jews in the first place.
 
Sidhe said:
Oh he is and it is, and your apostate for claiming he isn't and it isn't, stop spreading heretical lies, I've debunked your mythology on more than one occasion. If you want to devolve yourself from Islam then devolve yourself from God, frankly you wont be missed. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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brennan said:
Jesus perchance?
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Just because muslims believe him as a prophet does not make him a "muslim" for Christians or non-muslims.

That's what muslims believe. That doesn't mean it's the truth. We Christians believe he was son of God, they don't.

But what's this business of having to believe in Islamic beliefs as a Christian? :rolleyes: That's pretty ridiculous. If you want to be a muslim that's fine, but leave us to our beliefs and traditions.
 
Israel needs to be "wiped of the map" - Ahmadinejad (Iran president)
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I cannot, under any stretch of my imagination see Iran managing to wipe their chin, never mind Israel from the map.

They lack the military power, the support and getting past the US occupation in Iraq is impossible.

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Insane_Panda said:
You seem to conviently forget the Supreme leader, who is NOT elected and who really holds the power.
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Not true, the Supreme Leader is subordinate to the President who is the real executive power. The Supreme Leader is elected by the Council of Experts, who in turn are elected by universal suffrage and secret ballot.
 
CurtSibling said:
I cannot, under any stretch of my imagination see Iran managing to wipe their chin, never mind Israel from the map.

They lack the military power, the support and getting past the US occupation in Iraq is impossible.

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True. But never underestimate the opposition. The west on guard and on alert always.
 
Bast said:
True. But never underestimate the opposition. The west on guard and on alert always.
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This is a case of pragmatism, not speculation.

Iran knows the limits...I just worry that we do not.

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