Israel needs to be "wiped of the map" - Ahmadinejad (Iran president)

[Comraddict]

@ marioh, MF rules (see the sig)

 

[eyrei]

Are the Iranians trying to give us an excuse to launch airstrikes against their pre-nuclear facilities?

This little speech just erased all tolerance I had for Iranian nuclear ambitions. Their government is obviously not mature enough to play with such toys.

 

[amadeus]

This little speech just erased all tolerance I had for Iranian nuclear ambitions.

If he's won you over, I hope he keeps talking!

 

[h4ppy]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's call for Israel to be "wiped off the map" has drawn widespread condemnation from Israel

Color me surprised.

 

[luiz]

A President is not supposed to make such remarks.
As carlosMM correctly pointed, this statement is very similar to those made by the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. I would not oppose an assassination(if followed by a smart plan to place liberal iranians in charge).

 

[Kayak]

A President is not supposed to make such remarks.
As carlosMM correctly pointed, this statement is very similar to those made by the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. I would not oppose an assassination(if followed by a smart plan to place liberal iranians in charge).

That would backfire I think. A collective diplomatic response first and see how that works. Although Russia is does not seem on board.

I wonder how this is playing on the arab street. Anyone seen anything?

 

[CruddyLeper]

"Iranian President issues words totally in context"

Not much of a headline is it? It was at a congress entitled "A world without Zionism".

Personally I'm more in favour of secularising Israel rather than obliterating it.

Having some defined borders would help, rather than laying claim to all land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

Oh yeah, and officially, the US's recognition of Israel is based on the right of return or recompense for the Palestinians.

As they have received neither... technically, the US doesn't recognise Israel!

 

[Nate128]

Why do so many nations hate Israel?

 

[CruddyLeper]

"By their actions ye shall know them".

EDIT: If you want a list of them, I'm happy to post. But request it first, eh?

 

[wit>trope]

"Iranian President issues words totally in context"

Not much of a headline is it? It was at a congress entitled "A world without Zionism".

Doesn't that mean basically "A world without Israel"?

Personally I'm more in favour of secularising Israel rather than obliterating it.

Could you clarify this part please? Are you saying you favor obliteration a little but favour secularization MORE? OR are you saying you do not favor obliteration at all and instead favor secularation exclusively (and what do you mean by "obliterate" -- do you mean like getting rid of the state or annihilating the people?)

Having some defined borders would help, rather than laying claim to all land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

lots of states have border disputes. India Pakistan. China Russia. Japan Korea. Spain/France and some former Colonies. etc.

technically, the US doesn't recognise Israel!

I am fine if a state doesn't recognize Israel as a state -- after all most states do not for example recognize Taiwan as a state. But the states that do not recognize Taiwan as a state do not go around saying they want to annihilate Taiwan or "wipe it off the map" and advocate terrorist attacks against Taiwan. See the difference?

As much as some think Bush is crazy, this Persian guy is craziness cubed.

"By their actions ye shall know them".

EDIT: If you want a list of them, I'm happy to post. But request it first, eh?

Sure why not?

BTW I love Persians. But this guy I do not like.

 

[Elrohir]

I dont understand what hes hoping to ackomplish with such comments.

*Sighs* Wake up already. What he hopes to accomplish is nothing short of the destruction of Israel. He said it straight out. (At least he's honest) This isn't a game, it's a battle for survival, and if he get's his way every Israeli on the planet will be dead.

He´s an Islamic fanatist, but I believe the world would have been much better without an Israeli state and Ben Gurion&Co.

And I think the world would be a much better place without left-wing ideologues like you.But does that give me the right to call for your death? No.

Are the Iranians trying to give us an excuse to launch airstrikes against their pre-nuclear facilities?

This little speech just erased all tolerance I had for Iranian nuclear ambitions. Their government is obviously not mature enough to play with such toys.

Dang, if you're on our side now then I'd say Iran just erased a lot of moderate support.

 

[Homie]

So what else is new. What arab leader has NOT said this at one point or another. And previous wars have shown that it isn't just words, they would if they could (wipe Israel off the map).

 

[eyrei]

So what else is new. What arab leader has NOT said this at one point or another. And previous wars have shown that it isn't just words, they would if they could (wipe Israel off the map).

Which is exactly why they shouldn't be allowed access to nuclear energy until they grow up...what a stupid time (on their part) to engage in such jihadist rhetoric. I wonder what the Russian and Chinese reactions will be to this...they are the only thing standing between Iran's government and the same fate that took Saddam Hussein (regardless of the incompetence afterward).

 

[FriendlyFire]

*Sighs* Wake up already. What he hopes to accomplish is nothing short of the destruction of Israel. He said it straight out. (At least he's honest) This isn't a game, it's a battle for survival, and if he get's his way every Israeli on the planet will be dead.
.

What are you talking about this is the best news yet. Irans progress is being set back a decade. With poltical and economic reforms all being undone. Iran is now weakening itself tremedously while other more moderate middle eastern countries are making progress.
Irans presidents little speech at the UN is in fact helping us by showing the world what a islamic republic is really like. They have in fact shoot themselves in th foot. The US / UN need to capitolise on Iran mistake now by pushing for either sanctions or containment. Russia can be bullied to comply isolating Iran completely

 

[Elrohir]

I agree, as long as Iran is going to be evil, it is better for them to be evil openly. It would be better still if they weren't evil at all though.

Russia can probably be bullied into helping us with Iran, especially if the EU is onboard, (As it sounds like, with France, UK, Germany and Spain all demanding explanations) it's China we need to convince. They like having the US in trouble in the Middle East, so that they can grow in Asia without having our eye on them. It probably wouldn't be in their best interests to help us fix things up. Short of giving them Taiwan (Something we're not prepared to do) I don't know how to convince them.

 

[Gr3yL3gion]

Malaysia forbides Israeli citizens from entering the country, a policy of old Osama bin Mahathir. Knight or Gr3y, has there been any effort to get this repealed?

As far as I know, No, and it we are forbiden to travel to Israel as well.

Most of us are glad when travel restrictions to China were lifted a decade or two ago. As for Israel most Malaysians have no interest in traveling to there, and I'm sure most Israelites have no interest in travelling to here as well, so ...

Come on RM, Mahathir might be vocal on certain issue, but he isn't really that bad.

 

[CruddyLeper]

Doesn't that mean basically "A world without Israel"?

Not quite. A state of Isreal, based on fundamental principles of equality regardless of religion or race would be my preference.

Not the current situation of "You're Jewish? OK, so long as you'll fight in the Army you're in".

It's racist apartheid, pure and simple.

Could you clarify this part please? Are you saying you favor obliteration a little but favour secularization MORE? OR are you saying you do not favor obliteration at all and instead favor secularation exclusively (and what do you mean by "obliterate" -- do you mean like getting rid of the state or annihilating the people?)

I do not favour destruction over peace. However, if Israel continues on it's stubborn course of "God gave the land to US! To US! Isaac conned Ishmael so it's ours, nyahh-nyahh-nyahhh-nah" then it's pretty much doomed to be end up as radioactive desert anyway.

God gave the land to Abraham. Not to just the Jews or the Arabs but both.

lots of states have border disputes. India Pakistan. China Russia. Japan Korea. Spain/France and some former Colonies. etc.

Yeah, but saying that half the middle East is yours "By right of birth - it's our land, we'll push you off it at bayonet point any time we please" is hardly a diplomatic solution.

I am fine if a state doesn't recognize Israel as a state -- after all most states do not for example recognize Taiwan as a state. But the states that do not recognize Taiwan as a state do not go around saying they want to annihilate Taiwan or "wipe it off the map" and advocate terrorist attacks against Taiwan. See the difference?

Taiwan isn't making territorial claims over half the Middle East though.

As much as some think Bush is crazy, this Persian guy is craziness cubed.

<sigh> Why do you expect other countries politics to be exactly like the US?

Most other countries politics are based around adversarial argument, not back room economic horsedealing.

Sure why not?

OK. Should take me about 6 months to get it all listed. Of course Eyrei will lock it immedietely as a troll thread, even though it contains nothing but facts.

Eyrei doesn't like facts. Perhaps they block Eyrei's view of reality?

BTW I love Persians. But this guy I do not like.

I don't like him either. But he's the democratically elected leader.

If he's just assassinated and a stooge put in, where does that leave democracy?

 

[JohnRM]

Which is exactly why they shouldn't be allowed access to nuclear energy until they grow up...what a stupid time (on their part) to engage in such jihadist rhetoric. I wonder what the Russian and Chinese reactions will be to this...they are the only thing standing between Iran's government and the same fate that took Saddam Hussein (regardless of the incompetence afterward).

I don't think Russia and China will give much of a crap about it. They see only dollar signs and the promise of problems for the Americans.

 

[wit>trope]

How is Israel "half the middle east"?

Explain that please. Israel territory is like less than 10% probably less than 5% of the Middle East.

 

[CruddyLeper]

"Eretz Israel" = Biblical Israel. All the land between the great rivers (Nile-Euphrates).

What do you think the blue lines on the flag represent? Tank tracks leaving the Star of David wherever they pass?